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Fun and informative short video! Thanks!
Fun and informative short video! Thanks!
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:14 pm |
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Thanks! :thumbs_up_1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2_NFdy1EvU
[youtube]S2_NFdy1EvU[/youtube]
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:19 pm |
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Pascal, This is beautiful. I have enjoyed the posts. You have done an amazing job!!!!!!!  Pascal,
This is beautiful. I have enjoyed the posts. You have done an amazing job!!!!!!! :submarine: :submarine:
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:17 pm |
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With these post war conversions there are a lot of questions. I wonder what the story behind the manhole covers on the side of the hull are for, those could have been made lower drag. Your research has unearthed a lot of good information and also further questions.
Cheers: Tom
With these post war conversions there are a lot of questions. I wonder what the story behind the manhole covers on the side of the hull are for, those could have been made lower drag. Your research has unearthed a lot of good information and also further questions.
Cheers: Tom
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:49 pm |
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It probably makes the submarine quieter underwater. Drag creates noise.  It probably makes the submarine quieter underwater. Drag creates noise. :idea:
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:36 pm |
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The Museum version is of course the latest! The gap replaces the limber holes, not sure why the change, though perhaps a little less submerged drag. Part of a quick submergence is being able to flood rapidly, One wants the deck casing to expel any air quickly, which is the task of the spaced decking to allow air to escape and the gap or limber holes to allow water to rush in quickly. Interesting that Bugara at WWII launching had a similar setup to Torsk's final configuration. The other possible configuration changes may be related to resistance of the deck casing as a buffer to depth charging. Certainly by the 60's depth charges were mostly obsolete and torpedoes or projected weapons being the major issue. Though not used by US adversaries, the weapon Hedgehog had a contact fuze and a small shaped charge, and would be set off by casing contact rather than hull contact and possibly non fatal.
Cheers: Tom
The Museum version is of course the latest! The gap replaces the limber holes, not sure why the change, though perhaps a little less submerged drag. Part of a quick submergence is being able to flood rapidly, One wants the deck casing to expel any air quickly, which is the task of the spaced decking to allow air to escape and the gap or limber holes to allow water to rush in quickly. Interesting that Bugara at WWII launching had a similar setup to Torsk's final configuration. The other possible configuration changes may be related to resistance of the deck casing as a buffer to depth charging. Certainly by the 60's depth charges were mostly obsolete and torpedoes or projected weapons being the major issue. Though not used by US adversaries, the weapon Hedgehog had a contact fuze and a small shaped charge, and would be set off by casing contact rather than hull contact and possibly non fatal.
Cheers: Tom
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:53 pm |
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Thanks Tom, On the museum version, the water drain holes are no longer visible, hidden by the hull plate which does not go down to the bilge, for hydrodynamic reasons? I did not show it on my stand.   Thanks Tom,
On the museum version, the water drain holes are no longer visible, hidden by the hull plate which does not go down to the bilge, for hydrodynamic reasons?
I did not show it on my stand.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:27 am |
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Looks as if the limber holes and gap used along the top of the pressure hull changed and was of several configurations. I included a photo of Bugara at launch (the only fleet boat on active duty I had any association) and one can see how a typical gap at the bottom of the casing looked. A photo later of Torsk has yet a different arrangement of the midships limber holes that she carried in some of your photos. I wonder what the reason for the "experimentation" was? The post war submarine modifications seemed to be a free for all! Attachment:
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Cheers: Tom Looks as if the limber holes and gap used along the top of the pressure hull changed and was of several configurations.
I included a photo of Bugara at launch (the only fleet boat on active duty I had any association) and one can see how a typical gap at the bottom of the casing looked. A photo later of Torsk has yet a different arrangement of the midships limber holes that she carried in some of your photos. I wonder what the reason for the "experimentation" was? The post war submarine modifications seemed to be a free for all!
[attachment=1]bugara launch.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]torsk limber holes.jpg[/attachment]
Cheers: Tom
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:33 pm |
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Pascal, convincing and beautiful indeed. My "interpretation" of the photo of the actual sub is this portion of the deck casing has no limber holes, but a gap between the sides and the rounded pressure hull? Difficult to tell in the photo but this was the usual setup on the fleet boats. But of course by the late 50's who knows!
Really love the weathering!
Best regards: Tom
Pascal, convincing and beautiful indeed. My "interpretation" of the photo of the actual sub is this portion of the deck casing has no limber holes, but a gap between the sides and the rounded pressure hull? Difficult to tell in the photo but this was the usual setup on the fleet boats. But of course by the late 50's who knows!
Really love the weathering!
Best regards: Tom
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:39 am |
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There is still the weathering, a little rust to apply, the cleats, a little gray paint on the sides and maybe one or two submariners to give the scale and a little animation..
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:35 am |
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:thumbs_up_1:
Printing the hull section. I'll reprint my cleats to get it just right.
Then paint.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:57 am |
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Pascal: Yes that's the one, by the shipyard main gate. Just out of the photo to the left is the interesting Shipyard Museum. The hull section base adds some reference for your sail. The decking on the subs often had some minor spacing between the "planks" so as to let air escape quickly during a dive, the larger limber holes along the side of the casing, at the bottom, allowing the water to flow into the false deck casing. allowing quicker dive. Attachment:
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Here is a wartime photo of Silversides showing a surface action. Note the chain gang to pass ammunition. Well illustrates the spacing of the deck planking. Cheers: Tom Pascal:
Yes that's the one, by the shipyard main gate. Just out of the photo to the left is the interesting Shipyard Museum. The hull section base adds some reference for your sail. The decking on the subs often had some minor spacing between the "planks" so as to let air escape quickly during a dive, the larger limber holes along the side of the casing, at the bottom, allowing the water to flow into the false deck casing. allowing quicker dive.
[attachment=0]Silversides.jpg[/attachment]
Here is a wartime photo of Silversides showing a surface action. Note the chain gang to pass ammunition. Well illustrates the spacing of the deck planking.
Cheers: Tom
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:22 pm |
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I drew a support quickly this afternoon.
The sail will remain removable, if one day I decide to mount the sub completely.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:38 pm |
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This one, may be, Tom?
https://www.tripadvisor.fr/Attraction_Review-g58364-d1824586-Reviews-Puget_Sound_Navy_Museum-Bremerton_Washington.html
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:09 pm |
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Pascal:
The flat weather gray looks quite convincing. I have also used the cutout stencils for masking numbers. The shading requires some complication but is doable. The ability to make the correct size is a plus and is more durable than a decal application. For really small lettering such as draft numbers I have used the cutouts as press applies. Decals might be a more convenient method for those. Certainly the decal printing procedure has better detail and color control than what we can achieve by stenciling. I really dislike working with white paint. Currently I am dealing with a Liquitex FLAT white and also use the black. Really excellent paints if a little expensive.
A convincing project. At the entrance to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard is the Sail (Kiosk) of a Nuc sub that was deactivated, looking much like your model, except a modern configuration.
Cheers: Tom
Pascal:
The flat weather gray looks quite convincing. I have also used the cutout stencils for masking numbers. The shading requires some complication but is doable. The ability to make the correct size is a plus and is more durable than a decal application. For really small lettering such as draft numbers I have used the cutouts as press applies. Decals might be a more convenient method for those. Certainly the decal printing procedure has better detail and color control than what we can achieve by stenciling. I really dislike working with white paint. Currently I am dealing with a Liquitex FLAT white and also use the black. Really excellent paints if a little expensive.
A convincing project. At the entrance to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard is the Sail (Kiosk) of a Nuc sub that was deactivated, looking much like your model, except a modern configuration.
Cheers: Tom
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:09 pm |
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I am encouraged me to continue painting and especially lettering.  My USN decals in stock are either too small or too big, 8mm is needed here, so I decided to do the thing with paint and my Silhouette Profil 3 cutter. Also there is some shading to do. The decals I have in stock are white without shading. I still found in China and ordered for stock the rare pearl, but it will take a long time to come: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/174705688389 So I started the building site, one afternoon was not too much  . But it's so much better painted.  Cutting of the mask with a USN font that you can find here: https://fontmeme.com/polices/police-usn-stencil/   First, airbrush the black background. Do not dilute the paint, at least as little as possible, apply it with low air pressure, to avoid possible drips under the mask. If this is not successful, the gray should be repainted etc..  Put a new mask to paint the white (Tamiya XF-2, too white). Do not dilute it, it is already very liquid in this brand. Low pressure and go gently without hurrying in several small successive layers, wait 1 minute between each layer.  Attenuation of white and shading with Modern Haze grey, a very light veil well diluted is enough once the last mask is removed, low air pressure. As a result, the lettering fits better aesthetically in the bed, it should not dominate, a good balance must be found. Concentrate on this last step and don't fall, otherwise...   I am encouraged me to continue painting and especially lettering. [img]https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/affraid.gif[/img]
My USN decals in stock are either too small or too big, 8mm is needed here, so I decided to do the thing with paint and my Silhouette Profil 3 cutter. Also there is some shading to do.
The decals I have in stock are white without shading.
I still found in China and ordered for stock the rare pearl, but it will take a long time to come:
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/174705688389
[img]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yvcAAOSwraBgUjz1/s-l1600.jpg[/img]
So I started the building site, one afternoon was not too much [img]https://www.laroyale-modelisme.net/users/2712/39/07/66/smiles/3669312944.gif[/img] . But it's so much better painted. [img]https://www.laroyale-modelisme.net/users/2712/39/07/66/smiles/738087458.gif[/img]
Cutting of the mask with a USN font that you can find here:
https://fontmeme.com/polices/police-usn-stencil/
[url=https://postimg.cc/jDRcqmYm][img]https://i.postimg.cc/pLF6CMGW/Screenshot-2022-07-23-21-34-30-503.jpg[/img][/url]
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First, airbrush the black background. Do not dilute the paint, at least as little as possible, apply it with low air pressure, to avoid possible drips under the mask. If this is not successful, the gray should be repainted etc..
[url=https://postimg.cc/mcDSC9DS][img]https://i.postimg.cc/CKC6yHp9/Screenshot-2022-07-23-21-36-03-080.jpg[/img][/url]
Put a new mask to paint the white (Tamiya XF-2, too white). Do not dilute it, it is already very liquid in this brand. Low pressure and go gently without hurrying in several small successive layers, wait 1 minute between each layer.
[url=https://postimg.cc/18MH8B9t][img]https://i.postimg.cc/zfYPP26n/Screenshot-2022-07-23-21-36-40-252.jpg[/img][/url]
Attenuation of white and shading with Modern Haze grey, a very light veil well diluted is enough once the last mask is removed, low air pressure.
As a result, the lettering fits better aesthetically in the bed, it should not dominate, a good balance must be found.
Concentrate on this last step and don't fall, otherwise... [img]https://www.laroyale-modelisme.net/users/2712/39/07/66/smiles/2760792084.gif[/img]
[url=https://postimg.cc/gnV4WdQ3][img]https://i.postimg.cc/wTPrDjk4/Screenshot-2022-07-23-21-37-10-091.jpg[/img][/url]
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:08 pm |
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 An afternoon of painting for the massif yesterday. I had received the Lifecolor set to start this step before yesterday. UA655 U.S Modern Navy HazeGrey #2106 UA660 U.S Navy Submarine Black #7106 The aging process is not finished. The decals are to be put on for the numbers, if it doesn't suit me ( I'm not a fan in general, it will be done with paint with stencils cut with my Profile machine. The camouflage of the front periscope is done with a black Bic indelible marker for the marking of clothes, top, followed by a veil of gray airbrush from afar, very diluted, I varnished in matte after. It gives exactly the consistency of the original. Off-white N°5 Humbrol at the base. Remain some rust cankers to realize, not too much, and a general matte varnish layer to integrate the whole in a set. :) . The black is a little satin, too much for my taste, which does not fit with a paint worn by UV or / and the sea. The navigation lights are to be painted, the bottom of the bubble in black, the ports to be mounted, and the floor of the quarterdeck to be glued after. I was careful not to draw too much straight for the limit of the black with the grey, you can see that this delimitation is done by hand on the pictures, sometimes even on the old pictures with a spray gun, see above. :)      :thumbs_up_1:
An afternoon of painting for the massif yesterday. I had received the Lifecolor set to start this step before yesterday.
UA655 U.S Modern Navy HazeGrey #2106
UA660 U.S Navy Submarine Black #7106
The aging process is not finished. The decals are to be put on for the numbers, if it doesn't suit me ( I'm not a fan in general, it will be done with paint with stencils cut with my Profile machine.
The camouflage of the front periscope is done with a black Bic indelible marker for the marking of clothes, top, followed by a veil of gray airbrush from afar, very diluted, I varnished in matte after. It gives exactly the consistency of the original. Off-white N°5 Humbrol at the base.
Remain some rust cankers to realize, not too much, and a general matte varnish layer to integrate the whole in a set. :) . The black is a little satin, too much for my taste, which does not fit with a paint worn by UV or / and the sea.
The navigation lights are to be painted, the bottom of the bubble in black, the ports to be mounted, and the floor of the quarterdeck to be glued after.
I was careful not to draw too much straight for the limit of the black with the grey, you can see that this delimitation is done by hand on the pictures, sometimes even on the old pictures with a spray gun, see above. :)
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Pascal:
That is a good illustration of the size of the sonar dome and the increasing importance of sound in underwater warfare post war. The head on photo of Torsk approaching alongside the other vessel shows the amount of flare in the bow casing as contrasting with the considerably modified Guppy foredeck, it's more than a slight recurve of the bow profile.
An interesting sub project! Cheers: Tom
Pascal:
That is a good illustration of the size of the sonar dome and the increasing importance of sound in underwater warfare post war. The head on photo of Torsk approaching alongside the other vessel shows the amount of flare in the bow casing as contrasting with the considerably modified Guppy foredeck, it's more than a slight recurve of the bow profile.
An interesting sub project! Cheers: Tom
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I enlarged the sonar a little bit as it was a bit too thin according to the dry dock pictures.
The printing went well, it hollowed out with reinforcements on the inside.
This project for Vincent is now finished. I will just paint the second sail that I printed for myself as it is in the museum.
I found these old pictures with this livery:
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And these very interesting documents, you can see the tilting starboard side antenna.
https://annapolismaritimeantiques.com/products/a-uss-torsk-brochure-and-lighter?variant=42524026798295
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A Tench Guppy underway, the sail (Kiosk) is very similar to Torsk. The main external difference identifying this as a Guppy is the recurved stem and the more rounded deck edge. As a Tench class the Torsk had a more sharply angled forefoot than the earlier classes. How much plating revision was necessary for the sound dome, hard to say, certainly less than an earlier Balao etc. Supposedly (Friedman) the snorkel boats were detectable at considerably longer ranges by passive sonar than the guppies. As Fleet snorkeler (Bugara) we were at the sound range to evaluate various equipment and modifications on detection while snorkeling and on battery at various speeds and depths. [attachment=0]Tench Guppy.jpg[/attachment]
A Tench Guppy underway, the sail (Kiosk) is very similar to Torsk. The main external difference identifying this as a Guppy is the recurved stem and the more rounded deck edge. As a Tench class the Torsk had a more sharply angled forefoot than the earlier classes. How much plating revision was necessary for the sound dome, hard to say, certainly less than an earlier Balao etc.
Supposedly (Friedman) the snorkel boats were detectable at considerably longer ranges by passive sonar than the guppies. As Fleet snorkeler (Bugara) we were at the sound range to evaluate various equipment and modifications on detection while snorkeling and on battery at various speeds and depths.
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