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[quote="Brocky"]But this does raise another question in my mind, would the boats be pulled into contact with the platform deck plate by the straps?
Thanks again
Mark B.[/quote]

Mark,

Refer again to Model Monkey's last photo - if you look real close at the boat's orientation, you'll see that they are slightly pulled in towards the exterior bulkhead of the ship (thus showing the edge of the port side of the boat). That's the effect of the lateral tie-downs. I don't think that the boat keel would be in contact with the deck plates. I'm certainly a novice when it comes to carriers, but small boats of that period were all stowed in similar fashion, whether from davits or overhead tackle (as in this case). I've tried to find photos of this area of WWII era carriers where the boats were stowed but without success. :huh:

Hope this helps!

why would it be pulled in?

Thanks for the pictures and verifying the use of the two tie downs BB62vet. I'm not so much worried about the block and tackles so much. They will be very small in 1/487 but your picture shows I guessed correctly about placing an engine box amidships on them.

But this does raise another question in my mind, would the boats be pulled into contact with the platform deck plate by the straps?

Thanks again
Mark B.

very unbecoming of a moderator but then that is to be expected of you & only you on this site.

I'm quite aware that the boats are suspended by block & tackle from the overhead I beams. I simply posted those photos to show the DETAILS OF THE BLOCK & TACKLE used in a typical 26' MWB stowage situation.
The diagonal tie-downs that are shown in Model Monkey's last photo are the usual method for securing those small boats in their stowed positions.

But of course, I could have predicted that the forum troll would have something to complain about.

BB62vet, is not using davits but block & tackle from the overhead i-beams forming the bottom of the gallery deck as those boats not the bigger ones are suspended past the ship's hull sides. could be using ropes, block & tackle or wooden boat booms to prevent the boats from swinging sideways. have a look at this picture to see what I am talking about.

Mark,

Those small boats are probably 26' Motor Whaleboats - a typical small boat carried on almost all WWll classes of ships. Here is a detailed photos of the typ. davit block setup for those boats:
[attachment=1]26' MWB on Davits (USS CALAMARES AF18).jpg[/attachment]
Here is a 26' MWB on davits with covered steel blocks as opposed to the wooden blocks that were common in WWII era:
[attachment=0]26' Whaleboat on Davits.jpg[/attachment]
This photo is from the 1960s era aboard a FLETCHER class DD.

Referring back to your original drawing, I think I would go with (2) dbl wooden blocks for each davit as shown in my first photo. Steve's last photo showing the diagonal bracing is also typ. of the type of tie-downs that were common for those boats in davits.

Hope this helps,

Thanks Steve.

It helps a lot. I was wondering where they would be positioned in relation to the small deck behind them. Above or below. The picture shows the tops of the boats about in the middle of the chain rails with the bottoms of the hulls just below the deck plate.

It will also give me a use for some of the PE fret frames I have been hording from other builds.

Have a great weekend,
Mark B.

Hi Mark,

The photo comes from the National Archives, catalog number 80-G-63560.

The boats in the photo appear to have props but I could be wrong.

Here's another photo showing the configuration of the straps securing the boats.

Hope this helps.

Very much so. Thanks Steve. I did not have a good picture of these boats in any of my references and I could not find any on the internets. Where did this come from?

I have one more question, I noticed that the BOGP lists these boats as 30' - 0" sailing whale boat. Are they truly unpowered or did they have a motor?

Thanks again,
Mark B.

Hope this helps.

Hi guys,

Still working on the c. 1940 Yorktown. I have a question about the boats that were hung under the flight deck over hang amidships. I have attached a section of the Yorktown class Booklet of General Plans showing the ones I’m talking about. If I understand the drawings correctly, the boats are basically suspended beneath the decks by two block and tackles (red ellipses) per boat.

My question is were they secured by other cables/ropes to prevent them from swinging and bumping into things or were the attaching block and tackle arrangements short enough to allow them to swing while preventing them from bumping into things?

TIA and happy modeling.

Mark B.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/qiaWXCI.jpg[/img]

Does anyone know if there are any photographs of Yorktown in the Atlantic during 1941 except for the aerial shot taken at Norfolk in September, 1941?

[quote="SeanF"]No... Looks more like that's "Speed 20, 075 Turn"

Or, if it's meant to be read in first-to-be-hoisted order:

"075 Turn, Speed 20"

- Sean F.[/quote]
THANK YOU...I was tired yesterday and l mixed numbers and
B and speed flags...

While I was NOT a signalman, I concur with SeanF's reading of the flags as this seems plausible given the flag chart in the prior reply. These were meant for escorting ships in the carrier's immediate group in order to (probably) maintain radio silence by issuing visual signals for maneuvering.

Hope this helps!

No... Looks more like that's "Speed 20, 075 Turn"

Or, if it's meant to be read in first-to-be-hoisted order:

"075 Turn, Speed 20"

- Sean F.

Dear all, after hours of search in Naval flag signaling I found out that this is the correct table of signals.
Numbers are not signalled with pennants but with signal flags..square

Check this stunning color picture of, I suppose is Yorktown CV10, signal flags with these codes.

First group (left)
B10
and the second group (right)
075 TURN
But I have no idea of what they mean

look at pg 2 of this link https://emed.ie/_docs/Medicocork-International-Code-Of-Signals.pdf to see what 3 flags reads HX 2.

[quote="TF17Greg"]Dear all l need your help
l would like to put on the Carrier some signalisation flags and l found this code
[b]HX 2[/b] [i]l have recieved serious damage below water line[/i]
and these are flags,
Could it be ok?[/quote]

Kind reminder ifany of you can help... with Signal Flags... thanks

Soooo.....anyone make 1/350 1940-41 Ford Super Delux Woody?

(Never hurts to ask!)

Fantastic that we finally got a picture of the mural! Long time waiting.


Kelley