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Me too, I don't know Chih Yuen. but Tsi Yuen has 3 masts, 2 wooden and 1 steel. when it arrived China, Chinese removed the two wooden one, and opt for 1 mast.

[quote="mrwawa"]Slightly off topic, I am building S-model TSI Yuen (German builded Protected cruiser)

i am painting mine in 1894, and it called for Grey color..... hummmmm.... anyone knows what kind of grey??

also Maxim, your scratch built 1/700 Chih Yuen, the color of your mast and funnel are different. it seems your mast in buff and your funnel it's mustard yellow... ( maybe it's my ME Type 42 eye...)[/quote]

I do not know anymore, why I have painted them differently. How long wooden masts were in use?

Slightly off topic, I am building S-model TSI Yuen (German builded Protected cruiser)

i am painting mine in 1894, and it called for Grey color..... hummmmm.... anyone knows what kind of grey??

also Maxim, your scratch built 1/700 Chih Yuen, the color of your mast and funnel are different. it seems your mast in buff and your funnel it's mustard yellow... ( maybe it's my ME Type 42 eye...)

:)

any input will greatly appreciated.

thanks...

Quite a handsome little ship!

Les

Here's me cruiser of the Peiyang Fleet Cruiser Chih Yuen in 1/350 scale.
[img]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/fox-3/DSCF0394.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/fox-3/Chinese4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/fox-3/Chinese3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/fox-3/Chinese2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/fox-3/Chinese.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/fox-3/Chines5.jpg[/img]
Just crew to add.

only 10 left after passing some out to friends.
I have some bronco's 1:350 listed. if you buy this and any of those, and mentioned you heard it on this forum, I can give you free shipping on these.
They are kinda a bit*h to ship alone

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380366786177

It's on the Sonicmodel board, which I can only access very intermittently for some reason (Great Firewall of China?), and right now is one of those times when it won't come up, so I can't give you the URL, sadly :(

[quote="Timmy C"]The same company (S-Model) that recently made the 1/700 Ting & Chen Yuen in regular plastic is also doing the two Elswicks.[/quote]

Do you have a link to them? I have seen only parts for the earlier pair of protected cruisers built by Armstrong, Chaoyung and Yangwei. It would be very nice, if S-Model release other Chinese ships of this period! :jump_1:

The same company (S-Model) that recently made the 1/700 Ting & Chen Yuen in regular plastic is also doing the two Elswicks.

Nice job, Maxim!

Les

In [i]Warships for Export[/i] by Peter Brook and in [i]Warship 2004[/i] (the article Armstrong's Contribution to the New United States Navy by Peter Brook) are simple profile views of Isla de Cuba as built and of Isla de Cuba after refit with two funnels.

I think the conversion could be difficult, the Chinese cruisers have double the displacement of the Spanish ones.

/edit: Some time ago I had used the Zhengdefu kit of Chih Yuan plus some additional information to scratch built her in 1/700:

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/albums/lars_flotte2/chih_yuan_1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/albums/lars_flotte2/chih_yuan_2.jpg[/img]

This was my first scratch built ship, far from being perfect.

Maxim,

Thanks for the information. I was going by the fact that two kits were marketed showing two different names for these ships, plus a reference in Anthony Preston's book "Cruisers".

The dimensions you gave me for the Spanish cruisers will be very helpful if I get an opportunity to make the conversions. Seems I may have to take out a section of hull.

Les

[quote="Lesforan"]You are correct, but I think you misread my post. The ships I would convert would be Zhiyuan and Jingyuan, not Chi Yuan and Ching Yuan. The latter were much larger ships, similar to USN battleships USS Maine and USS Texas of the 1890's.[/quote]

Timmy C is reight: [i]Zhiyuan[/i] and [i]Jingyuan[/i] is only to modern spelling of [i]Chih Yuan[/i] and [i]Ching Yuan[/i], I was talking about the Armstrong built protected cruisers. [i]Chi Yuan[/i] is a different ship. She was a protected cruiser built by Vulcan in Germany. Her modern spelling is [i]Jiyuan[/i].

The two battle ships [i]Dingyuan[/i]/[i]Ting Yuan[/i] and [i]Zhenyuan[/i]/[i]Chen Yuan[/i] are much bigger than the two Elswick cruisers you want to convert. And the two Chinese Elswick cruisers are much bigger than the two Spanish ones:

Length
Ting Yuan: 310 ft
Chih Yuan: 267 ft
Isla de Luzon: 197 ft

Width
Ting Yuan: 60 ft
Chih Yuan: 38 ft
Isla de Luzon: 30 ft

Displacement
Ting Yuan: 7335 ts
Chih Yuan: 2310 ts
Isla de Luzon: 1038 ts

Armament:
Ting Yuan: 4 x 12 in, 2 x 6 in,2 x 6 Pdr, 2 x 3 Pdr, 8 x 1 Pdr, 3 x 14 in torpedo tubes
Chih Yuan: 3 x 8.2 in, 2 x 6 in, 8 x 6 Pdr, 2 x 3 Pdr, 6 x 1 Pdr, 6 Gatling MG, 4 x 14 in torpedo tubes
Isla de Luzon: 6 x 4.7 in, 4 x 6 Pdr, 2 x 1in MG, 2 MG, 3 x 14 in torpedo tubes

There is no obvious candidate for a conversion of [i]Chih Yuan[/i], she is not one of the later "standard" Elswick cruisers with very similar hulls, weapons etc., which were mainly built for South American navies (plus some some for the Japanese and US Navy).

The two Ellswick cruisers are the ones referred to in your link under "1894 Composite Fleet". Chingyuan and Zhiyuan.

Actually Zhendefu made a kit for at least one of the German-made ships, but in the fairly odd scale of 1/300. These models are, frankly, pretty crude if built OOB. They filled a market niche like that filled by early Lindberg ships of the 1960's: "Box scale", parts for building a powered (but not remote-controlled) model. The Lindberg kits were a better effort in terms of detail and quality of castings, hence the need to "heavily rework" them to produce a presentable model.
They must have been intended as something for kids to build for the local duck pond. Nothing wrong with that, if that is what you want.

Although I built both of these Ellswick sisters, I only put one in the Gallery. The two models were identical in appearance, save for the name on the display stands.

Actually, I think Chih Yuen and Zhi Yuen are the same ship, as is Ching Yuen and Jingyuen - the spellings are due to the old Wade Giles versus the new Pinying transliterations. See list on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beiyang_Fleet

For the larger ships, Les, perhaps you're thinking of Ding/Ting Yuen and Zhen/Chen Yuen, the two German-built battleships?

Maxim,

You are correct, but I think you misread my post. The ships I would convert would be Zhiyuan and Jingyuan, not Chi Yuan and Ching Yuan. The latter were much larger ships, similar to USN battleships USS Maine and USS Texas of the 1890's.

[quote="Lesforan"]I noticed the Spanish Navy had two of these ships, the Isla de Luzon, and the Isla de Cuba. I think the Zhendefu kits would be a good basis for models of these ships, the main difference from the Chinese sisters being the placement of the bridge in relation to the foremast.[/quote]

Chih Yuan and Ching Yuan were a much bigger ship and much more heavily armed than Isla de Luzon and Isla de Cuba.

Lenght difference 61 mm in 1/350
Chih Yuan: 267 ft
Isla de Luzon: 197 ft

Width difference 3 mm in 1/350
Chih Yuan: 38 ft
Isla de Luzon: 30 ft

Displacement
Chih Yuan: 2310 ts
Isla de Luzon: 1038 ts

Armament:
Chih Yuan: 3 x 8.2 in, 2 x 6 in, 8 x 6 Pdr, 2 x 3 Pdr, 6 x 1 Pdr, 6 Gatling MG, 4 x 14 in torpedo tubes
Isla de Luzon: 6 x 4.7 in, 4 x 6 Pdr, 2 x 1in MG, 2 MG, 3 x 14 in torpedo tubes

I do not think that it is possible to convert her.

I've built both the Zhiyuan and the Jingyuan. Picts of my Jingyuan are in the Gallery. Both were heavily-modified Zhendefu kits in 1/240 scale.

These ships were pretty much off-the-shelf Armstrong Ellswick Cruisers, protected cruisers of the 1890's.

In doing background research for my USS Oregon and USS Olympia builds, I noticed the Spanish Navy had two of these ships, the Isla de Luzon, and the Isla de Cuba. I think the Zhendefu kits would be a good basis for models of these ships, the main difference from the Chinese sisters being the placement of the bridge in relation to the foremast.

Both these Spanish cruisers were sunk by Dewey's cruiser squadron at Cavite. They were then raised, and put into service with the USN under their Spanish Navy names! What a collection these would make alongside Oregon and Olympia!

The ships of the 1890's are my favorite period. My most recent build is the Russian Imperial protected cruiser Varyag in 1/350 (Zvezda). This ship was constructed by Wm. Cramp and Sons of Philidelphia, 1899.

Les

[quote="AllianceModelWorks"]They're called Sextant Model, and last I heard they were tooling other ships of the beiyang fleet in 1:700.
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Do they have a website?

Well, Alliance, wouldn't it be wonderful to have plastic models 1890-1910 based on the output from the major yards. Vulcan, Vickers, Armstrong, Kure, St. Petersburg etc. ?