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On the lower picture are [i]Chester[/i], [i]Southampton[/i] (Chatham class, Sydney kit by HP Models), and [i]Glasgow[/i] (Bristol class, Combrig). The later has a combination of two 6" and ten 4" guns.

Nice Picture of three Jutland Cruisers. What ship is the 4" gun cruiser at the back of the three?

Another Town class cruiser, HMS Chester of the Birkenhead class:

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/chester/chester08.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/chester/chester12.jpg[/img]

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I am pretty sure you are right and it is one of the 4inch gunned Scout Cruisers. Hard to tell about the funnels, I suspect number three is hidden. The gun to port is one of a matched pair to starboard. That was common pattern. Clearly it's not a town, which sported 6 inch forward and aft.

Just as an aside, I have always looked on the RN Towns as the best light cruiser to enter World War I. Only the later German ships came close to the fully 6inch armed Towns.

Because of the non-shielded gun, it could be a scout cruiser - if this is a 4 in gun. But how many funnels do it have? 3 or 4?

If there are 3 funnels, it could be one of the cruisers of the Pathfinder class - or, if there are cowl vents, Sentinel class. Both after rearming with 4 in guns. The cruiser appear to have camouflage, i.e. late World War 1. It could HMS [i]Patrol[/i] - because I have not seen this kind of superstructure on the Sentinel class.

Here a photo of [i]Patrol[/i] with fitting colours of the funnels:
[url]http://www.subchaser.org/sc-208-miller2-07[/url]

This is likely not a "Town", but do you experts know which class of RN WWI Light Cruiser this photos was taken on?

Another Town, this time the first Town class, the Bristol class:

HMS [i]Glasgow[/i]:

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/glasgow/glasgow01n.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/glasgow/glasgow03n.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/glasgow/glasgow06n.jpg[/img]

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[i]Glasgow[/i] was built in 1/700 from the very good Combrig kit. The main problem was the warping of the hull - which I could only fix temporarily and it bended itself back to the banana form :-? The 6 in barrels were replaced by Master IJN 15cm/50 (6in) 41st Year Type and the 4 in by ones from Aber for RN WW2 ships. One of the boats was replaced by a steam launch from the British Harbor Set by Combrig.

My [i]Glasgow[/i] is still not finished, but I have finished a model of HMS [i]Southampton[/i] (Chatham class):

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/southampton/southampton01.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/southampton/southampton03.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.modellmarine.de/images/builders/lscharff/southampton/southampton05.jpg[/img]

She is built using the HP Models kit of HMAS Sydney in 1/700. I replaced the 15.2 cm gun barrels with brass ones made by Master (IJN 15cm/50 (6in) 41st Year Type), the 3-pounders with PE parts by Artist Hobby, most boats by parts from Kombrig, new masts, new davits and some other parts (PE set for HMS Chester by WEM).

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Thank you!

The funnels as provided in the Combrig kit are the funnels as modified after trials. I have not read went this modification happened but as it is rare to find a photo with low funnels I assume very soon after trials.

That means these are the funnels when completed?

When were the funnels raised? Shortly after completion?

Hi Maxim,

The funnel height for the Combrig kit is consistent with the NMM plan of HMS Bristol. The drawings in Conway's are to small, in my opinion, to be used for comparison. Funnels were raised 6 feet, you can see the insertion in clear photos.

Cheers,
George

Here a German review of the Combrig kits:
[url]http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3683:kombrig-britische-leichte-kreuzer-glasgow-und-gloucester-1700&catid=37:kom[/url]

Hi George,
apparently the Birmingham class had different 6 in guns, the shorter Mk XII (L/45 instead of L/50 of the Mk XI).

@ all:

The funnels of the Bristol class were raised after the first trials. How much they were raised or to which hight?

The funnels in the [i]Glasgow[/i] kit by Kombrig match the drawing in Friedman's book about British cruisers and many photos (and a bigger than in a photo of [i]Newcastle[/i] during trials with short funnels). But on some photos of sister ships the funnels appear to be taller. In addition, according to a drawing of [i]Bristol[/i] in [i]Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921[/i] her funnels were c. 1 m taller compared to the hight depicted in the kit.

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Hi George,
thank you for the information and the hint with the barrels by Master! :thumbs_up_1:

Lars

Hi Maxim,

HMS Glasgow is a Bristol class and HMAS Sydney is a Chatham class light cruiser. The BL 6" Mk XI was used in most of the 'Town' class cruisers; Bristol class, Weymouth class, Chatham class, Birmingham class . The Combrig 6' is the correct length but the breach is 8.6% to wide and the barrel is 52.6% to wide at the end. So it looks like a short 12" gun. Master Model SM-700-010 is the IJN 15cm 41st Year gun that is the equivalent of the 6" Mk XI. This will give you the correct barrel.

Cheers,
George

Thank you for the photos!

Here some additional ones of the model of [i]Glasgow[/i], which was shown in the Science Museum in London (before the ship department was closed :( ):
[url]http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3626:science-museum-london-teil-3&catid=178[/url]
[url]http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_imagebrowser&view=gallery&folder=science-museum-kreuzer&Itemid=55[/url]
(at the end of the photo gallery after other cruisers).

Are the 6 in guns on [i]Glasgow[/i] identical with those on [i]Sydney[/i]? The Kombrig parts are much more detailed than the HP parts...

[attachment=1]HMS Gloucester 1910 11s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]HMS Gloucester 1910 12s.jpg[/attachment]

Cheers,
George

Hi,

Here are photos of HMS Gloucester 1910 from the old Transport Museum in Glasgow.

[attachment=9]HMS Gloucester 1910 01s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=8]HMS Gloucester 1910 02s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=7]HMS Gloucester 1910 03s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=6]HMS Gloucester 1910 04s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=5]HMS Gloucester 1910 05s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=4]HMS Gloucester 1910 06s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=3]HMS Gloucester 1910 07s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=2]HMS Gloucester 1910 08s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=1]HMS Gloucester 1910 09s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]HMS Gloucester 1910 10s.jpg[/attachment]

[attachment=7]HMS Glasgow 1909 11s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=6]HMS Glasgow 1909 12s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=5]HMS Glasgow 1909 13s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=4]HMS Glasgow 1909 14s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=3]HMS Glasgow 1909 15s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=2]HMS Glasgow 1909 16s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=1]HMS Glasgow 1909 17s.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=0]HMS Glasgow 1909 18s.jpg[/attachment]