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Showing on the cross section of the ship as a Towing pad. So would that just be a large pad eye?? Having issues uploading the cross-sections.

Dave

Thanks Dave. Can you post the image you have of what you’re looking for?


-Scott

look at this link https://archive.org/details/f173bogp194 ... 1/mode/2up & check the outboard profile & main deck drawings to see if enough detail for what you are looking for.

Thanks for the photos and link. What I am looking for may not have been on the standard Victory ship due to the rear gun structure. It is shown in the main deck plans of the Liberty, but no detail is shown.

Thanks again,
Dave

These are from Lane Victory. Hope it helps.

A great ship and volunteer staff, open for tours most Wednesdays and Saturdays, located in Southern California. https://lanevictory.org/

go thru this link to see if any of the ships have the info you are looking for. https://archive.org/details/ship-design ... cargo+ship

Does anyone have photos or links to details for the towing bitt or towing gear on the stern deck of the Victory class ships? Working on conversion of the old Revell Attack Transport into the USS Liberty AGTR-5.

Dave

Thank so very much for these references... extremely helpful, and much obliged!

Mike E.

Hi Mike -

Something like thses: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/118795036?objectPage=17

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/118791315?objectPage=160

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/118791315?objectPage=325


As David pointed out, thousands of pages of Liberty Ship plans have been digitized by the National Archives.

https://catalog.archives.gov/search?availableOnline=true&q=ec2-s-c1&recordGroupNumber=357

Keep in mind that there were some differences in shell plating and construction between the various yards, with Bethlehem Fairfield hulls being the easiest to identify with their unique overlapping riveted horizontal strakes.

Anyone know where I can find a hull shell expansion plan showing the hull plating pattern on a standard Liberty ship hull? I know that the general outlines of the hull plating can be discerned in photos, but a diagram would be very helpful. Any help would be appreciated.

THANKS!

Mike E.

Hi, Scot!
Are you planning a 1/350 of the one shown in the pictures? It seems quite an heavy job to modify it from a John Brown Trupeteer kit ! Good luck!

I think the mount on the side of the deck house is Sky Lookout Support, similar to this:

http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/Misc/SkyLookout/index.htm#photos

Thanks Tracy!

I was thinking Mk 51 for the covered instruments on the centerline (thanks David), but not clear to me that any of the weapons carried be linked to the Mk51.

I'm looking at some photos of Liberty Ships converted to US Navy use, and seeing what looks like either additional lookout stations or gun directors installed. The armament still consists of mostly 20MM's (a few more than the Merchant Marine Liberties) and the regular 3" and 5" mounts.

20mm's didn't have a centralized fire control did they? Not quite sure what equipment these positions support but hoping to depict them correctly for a USS Stag I'm planning.





Any input is appreciated.

I just realized a kind of interesting bit of wartime production data that helps illustrate an apples and oranges comparison in allied vs German manufacturing capacity.

Although sources vary on the exact number, Germany produced only about 1350 Tiger I tanks during the entire production run. Interesting to compare this to the 2710 Liberty Ships completed during the war and you'll get 2 Liberties cranked out for each Tiger I produced!

One source online actually calls out 1355 Tiger I's which would be exactly 50% of the Liberty output, if accurate.

Interesting musings on Friday afternoon.

After quite a while, I was finally able to create and publish a tutorial about my Martin Van Buren.
I hope it can be useful. Again thanks to Scott Reigel for his support.

https://youtu.be/-S8mYdt2nGA

If I well understand the question, I would say that there were some steel crossmembers (should be 6) and then wood tables were placed above them. Canvas was placed at the end. At least according to the pictures I found in my archive, shown below.

I am making a model of a Libertyship with nr 2 hatch in open condition.
My question is: the hatchcovers of the tween- and topdeck were they made of steel or wood?

I think it is time to close the Martin Van Buren Project. With the last wires hanging from the mast tops to the booms hanging the nets i think the project is over. It has been a long and interesting job that led me to discover a whole world. Hundreds of hours spent searching the net, many hundreds in building the kit, setting up the diorama and making the case (base, sides and roof, in transparent plastic), exchanging experiences with some of you. Thanks to everyone. I now must take some more pictures and send for the gallery. And maybe write down some lines about what I did and what i learnt. The kit was not difficult, but i think i added a lot (scratchbuilt) to the original kit of Trumpeteer. And I am quite satisfied of the final result. It is also the first model of a Liberty ship with torpedo net deployed made or at least published. The dramatic of the torpedoes incoming was another challenge on its own. Won-hui Lee is a master in torpedoing and his tips were of hispiration. And now i can finally clean the desk and look at my finished diorama. Long life to Liberties !

After adding the wires that hold the safety nets’ booms, i added the ripples and today i added the wire that i think was laid for safety reasons.

As a matter of fact, after some trial, i proved that the white ripples along the side can be done preparing some medium gel plus cotton plus transparent gel and then putting it in place and modulating it with two toothpics. Since they should be very small and light there should be no need to add white colour, while i added for the massive front waves (being the ship under attack, it was trying to move full speed). In the picture below both the sides and the front waves have steel to dry. Tomorrow we’ll see how they appear