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Every jury has its own opinion, and I was interested in theirs, because they see the ship differently than I do.
You don't have to agree with everything they said, of course, but there are things I will try to improve my technique.

However, I found the jury's scores among the results, and I'm proud, because it turned out quite well :big_grin: , especially since I saw the other award-winning ships in the competition, I think it was quite a tough field...

Visible weathering would have been a career ending event for the ships' first officer, especially around the waterline . Cunard's kept its Blue Riband winner very clean.
About the smoke, I spent some time watching steam trains over the weekend. If the boilers are run at a good temperature using high quality coal the smoke would only start to be visible around 10 to 20 meters above the funnel which means it is outside your plastic casing.
[quote="Sszabi"]Well, we're over the Mosonshow, and she won a silver medal in the ship master category :smallsmile:


- the boat was found to be too clean, there are not really signs of use on it, e.g. below the waterline, which is visible because of the waves;

And, on the shelf, the ship took its rightful place next to a competitor :big_grin:[/quote]

The ignorance and set mind-sets of many juries is what makes me not going for competitions. They think in their categories and I think in mine - so don't worry about their verdict.

And as to smoke: most of the time it looks really kitschie, as there is no material that can imitate this kind of fleeting suspensions. The same applies to dramatic spray, btw. So rather leave it off.

The model detail is super, but the sea is also amazing. Very well done!

[quote="Sszabi"]Well, we're over the Mosonshow, and she won a silver medal in the ship master category :smallsmile:

I already know one of the jury members from previous competitions, and I asked them what their views were about the ship.
A few examples he highlighted:
- the boat was found to be too clean, there are not really signs of use on it, e.g. below the waterline, which is visible because of the waves;
- one of the jury members also brought up the previously discussed topic, that the ship is moving nicely, but there is no smoke...
- I didn't put the grills on the funnels, because I couldn't find any good photos, the lack of them was also noticeable to the jury
- I made a guide about the building, to show why and how I didthings, but e.g. I did not include a picture of the fact that only two antenna cables were stretched between the masts, and it occurred to them that there should be 4 fibers there. In the end they did not stretch this and accepted what they saw.

By the way, I agree with these things, I will try to pay more attention to them in the next model.

And, on the shelf, the ship took its rightful place next to a competitor :big_grin:[/quote]
Well deserved, Sszabi! I wonder what the gold medal winner may have looked like, but it should have been superior.

As for the jury's verdict about the funnel grills: these weren't there. So the jury was wrong (most ships might have had these, but not Maury). Only Lusitania seemed to have a single crossbar in funnel #3, but in the other funnels that isn't certain either. On the Mauretania photo I can see the liners though, these are clearly visible inside the funnel tops. I didn't check your model whether these were present or not :eyebrows: [attachment=0]Mauretania - no funnel grills.jpg[/attachment]

Well, we're over the Mosonshow, and she won a silver medal in the ship master category :smallsmile:

I already know one of the jury members from previous competitions, and I asked them what their views were about the ship.
A few examples he highlighted:
- the boat was found to be too clean, there are not really signs of use on it, e.g. below the waterline, which is visible because of the waves;
- one of the jury members also brought up the previously discussed topic, that the ship is moving nicely, but there is no smoke...
- I didn't put the grills on the funnels, because I couldn't find any good photos, the lack of them was also noticeable to the jury
- I made a guide about the building, to show why and how I didthings, but e.g. I did not include a picture of the fact that only two antenna cables were stretched between the masts, and it occurred to them that there should be 4 fibers there. In the end they did not stretch this and accepted what they saw.

By the way, I agree with these things, I will try to pay more attention to them in the next model.

And, on the shelf, the ship took its rightful place next to a competitor :big_grin:

Thanks you guys! :smallsmile: I would also like to have pictures taken by a professional photographer, because these pictures by the telephone are not the best.

Martin! The smoke had to be abandoned in the end, because it simply did not bring good results after several attempts. It looked so easy in the YouTube videos, but it really isn't...

Marijn! Sorry, I didn't word it right, the competition will now take place on April 19-21. between. I'm going to go on Saturday, I'm really looking forward to it because I last had the chance to go 2 years ago.
If I manage to achieve something with the ship, I will share it here ;)

Indeed a very nice model and convincing wave-patterns.

No need to be so hard on yourself Sszabi. You built a beautiful model! I also really like the seascape! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


How was Moson? I regret not being to go this year (again...)

That's a really beautiful rendition of the Mauretania. Many congratulations.

Looks so well in her natural element, piercing through the waves at speed.

Hi Sszabi
You definitely did this old lady justice! My congratulations. I see you added the second steam pipe on the rear of the second funnel. :thumbs_up_1:

I follow your decision not to add any smoke, as to do that right would be a project in itself. If you don't succeed to the full, it will distract more than it would add.

I love it when a plan comes together! Very nice work.

[quote="Sszabi"]I can't and I don't want to change it anymore.[/quote]
Better is the enemy of good enough! And she looks more than "good enough"! Well done!

Congrats on completing such a beautiful and complex model. Following the work in progress was a real pleasure. The seascape is also amazing. Well done! :cool_2:

Gentlemen, I declare the ship ready. Thank you all for your help, pictures, comments and encouragement :thumbs_up_1:

With all its faults, it turned out that way, I can't and I don't want to change it anymore. It took a long time to build and was far from perfect, but I think that compared to the factory set, quite a lot of details were added. Overall, I think it looks like the real thing. We're going to the Mosonshow on Saturday :woo_hoo:

[url]http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=54304[/url]
The matter was raised 15 years ago, but remained unresolved then...

I see some ideas in the wonderful dios from Won-hui Lee. Apparently he uses painted cotton wool as well:
[url]http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/ijn/Musashi-700-whl/index.htm[/url]

[quote="Sszabi"]Folks, I was wondering if it would make sense to model smoke from the funnels in some way. This is the thing that I miss about most steamship dioramas, but I know that using this wadding or other fabric-like material, the result is not always like the real thing. Do you think it makes sense to try it, or can I just make the overall picture worse?[/quote]
Hi Sszabi, I believe it makes VERY much sense! In particular with these old steam ships, both coal and oil fired. I often find theses dioramas lacking something serious when ther is no smoke - at all!
But getting realistc 'smoke' will be challenging. The best options I have seen so far:

1: making the smoke 'virtually' by adding it to the pictures you made. Using a 'digital spray paint' onto your pictures might give the most realistic result. But when plainly looking at the model you still see nothing! Therefore the second-best option:

2: use well spun-out cotton wool from hygienic or medical cotton pads to form the clouds. Spray paint these 'clouds' with the spray-brush or spray-can in various tones of very light gray to dark grey/black, to simulate the cloud under various light conditions. It will take a lot of practice time to find the right look, so I would start just by painting such cotton clouds before you even attempt to attach them to the model.

Good luck! I'm keen to follow you through on this...

Folks, I was wondering if it would make sense to model smoke from the funnels in some way. This is the thing that I miss about most steamship dioramas, but I know that using this wadding or other fabric-like material, the result is not always like the real thing. Do you think it makes sense to try it, or can I just make the overall picture worse?

Hi Sszabo,

Glad you had noticed it too! For my own build of Maury (in 1:350 from the Gunze Lucy kit) I have concentrated on the configuration as delivered, the other pipes you mention were added later. I didn't know, but could have to do with the oil-firing indeed.

Sure you will manage to make these small adjustments!

As for the water tanks: I believe these were related to the airco and heating system, I imagine they had to make adjustments to that during the lifetime of the ship. Maury and Lucy must have been one of the first large ships with this sort of system, so much was experimental and had to be modified for improvement. The relocation of the water tanks could also have had practical reasons.

Thank you guys!

Maarten, you're right! It doesn't show because I simply forgot it...
This morning I was looking at the sketches I made before the construction, and I noticed this when I built the funnels 1-2 years ago. I marked it as an important difference, but I have no idea why it was left behind. Moreover, I forgot not only this, but also the pipe visible at the back of the 4th funnel. But it's no problem, it's easy to improve them :D Thank you for your comment!

By the way, as for pipes and funnels: extra air pipes were installed when they switched to oil burning in the 20s. There is a diagram of this in the book, and you can see it in the later photos at the back of all 4 funnels.

But there are still little things that I haven't uploaded yet. E.g. these small water tanks. The strange thing about them is that they seem to wander on board. But what about the roof, why did they move behind the cranes?