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Topic review - To HMS Victory and beyond
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wefalck
  Post subject:  Re: To HMS Victory and beyond  Reply with quote
It's really fantastic what can be done with 3D-printing.

And I know from my forays into laser-cutting that it may need half a dozen iterations from the original draughting to get the parts to the right dimensions.
Post Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:33 am
dafi
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Some time ago, I made the mistake of getting involved with the boats because of the oars. Of course, this was not without consequences ...

... Here is the white “big” launch from the kit and behind it a new “decent” 34 foot launch according to McKay's drawings.

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Unfortunately, the planks of the inner floor gave way during printing, there was only a small usable remnant at the front and rear.

And if you man the boat, you can see straight away that the large boats were rowed “double banked”, i.e. 2 men per thwart and if the capstan is used, one thwart cannot be used.

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Oar lengths inside and outside and the position to the rower and his arms seem to be correct.

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But the inside floor still gives me pause for thought. As McKay draws it, it is 30-40 cm too low for the rower's legs and too high so that 50% of the load volume is lost. So it's a strange intermediate height

Somehow this still didn't fit. I then rummaged through my documents again and found what I was looking for, as these details are seldom shown.



Here is the small kit that has evolved as a result.

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The inner floor to protect the hull now rests on the frames at the very bottom. The rowers' feet have been given a bar for this purpose.

Trial fitting ...

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... and it fits reasonably well. With slightly straighter legs it even fits quite well.

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So the other foot bars are also installed.

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After that came the thwarts and the other interior ...

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... ... and it already looked quite passable.

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And again we had a rehearsal sitting ...

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... even multiple ones.

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This also seems to fit. The capstan is removable, so two more rowers could fit in.

But the next question is, what was the rigging like?

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In terms of the mast positions, I would have guessed lugger rigging, which I was able to see live a few times in France, or perhaps sprit rigging, but I'll see what Steel has to say about that later. Above all, all the fittings on the hull are still missing, which are vera often omitted.

Greetings, DAniel
Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 1:45 pm
dafi
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Thank you SG!

And I was also finally able to finish the capstans.

All the parts had been in the making since well into last year, but I never really had the chance to finish them. Basic programming strictly according to plan is always done quickly, but until the look of the printout refreshes my eyes and heart in terms of model making, it takes a few more rounds of printing, tinkering and improving, version #15 is the normal case here.

Here is an intermediate version, the brass tubes have now been replaced. Still mising are the bevels on the wedges below the ribs, which allow the rope to slide smoothly from round to pentagonal or hexagonal. I take such pre-prints for color samples, and lo and behold, it looked stupid in this color scheme.

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Here is the penultimate version. [Note to self: HOPEFULLY!] Good enough for a prototype. [Note to self: HOPEFULLY!]

And what do I always say? Before applying the aging, a clean base coat must be applied. Here you go.

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And then life gets in: The wood starts to show at all the rubbing points of the rope on the drums. After several tests, I decided on a non-covering drybrush, which gets across most of what I would have liked to show.

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And someone else has bombed into the picture: The capstan bars ...

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... to match the capstan.

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I made a template for alignment, using corrugated cardboard as a base to sink the upper part of the drum into and bring the spars to paper height ...

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... bars inserted into the capstan and the capstan inserted upside down ...

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... bars aligned and glued.

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Then the swifter is pulled in and that's it.

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And here are the individual parts, the middle piece is available in two heights, depending on how the battery deck is fitted with gratings.

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:17 pm
SG1
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So good of you Dafi! :cool_2:
Post Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:49 am
dafi
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And the pumps were also due.

First the elm tree pump. There is a protective bracket to protect the handle and the two through-pipes for the two lower decks are also included. In order not to have a pinch-off point, the handle was printed free-flying, diameter 0.5 mm x 0.5 mm. It came out straight, but when washed in acetone it bent uniformly on all prints. It's better to make a connection at the top for the next print in the hope of minimizing warping during washing.

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Therefore, a glass of hot water, briefly dipped in ...

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... kept in shape while cooling down and - tata ! - everything is straight again :-)

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Here is the comparison picture. So never cold bend resin, it works wonderfully with heat!

Then I discovered that I had made a 0.15 mm hole in the 0.5 mm x 0.5 mm handle.

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Checked the passage with a wire ...

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... and pulled in a rope. It actually really worked :-)

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The wooden clamp is not a standard one but a mini clamp ;-)

And the chain pumps have also arrived.

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:50 pm
dafi
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Thank you Dan. I certainly prefer the more unknown look of 1765.

;-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:58 pm
Dan K
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I somehow missed your prior post. I certainly prefer the more classic look of 1803.
Post Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:53 pm
dafi
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Oh God, now the building report has actually slipped so far down that archaeological excavations were almost necessary to find it again ...

A lot of business in the business, vacation, home garden, garden plot and life itself - lots of things that can get in the way and prevent you from tinkering.

But a little something did happen. On request, I did a bit of research into the deck accessories. First the riding bitts. Another small kit in itself of 10 parts.

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:44 am
dafi
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Thank you Dan!


It has now been 4.5 months since the big show in Evian. Since then, my ing Beauty has been lying in her box in the camper van, as I haven't had the time to kiss her nor the space on the work table to lay her down gently.

This weekend I finally pricked up my lips and gave her a really nice wake-up kiss

And I took the opportunity to take a few beauty shots and compare 1803 and 1910

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Is this now considered unto be out of box?

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I also took the opportunity to take a closer look at the new bow. It was based on the three-deckers built between 1800 and 1805. The bowsprit is now also anchored one deck higher.

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One side is still a bit rough ;-)

Hope you like it!

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:50 am
Dan K
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Continued incredible work.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:36 pm
marijn van gils
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Wonderful work Daniel! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

This may not have been her most beautiful 'version', but it certainly is an interesting one. And it makes for a very unique model too!
Post Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:22 pm
dafi
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Just realized that I missed one entry. here it is :-)

So I went over the stovepipe outlet cover plate underneath the fore chains. First it was reduced in size according to the source. On closer inspection of the photpgraph, I noticed that the support block could also be a brick. Since the entire shipyard is made of red brick, I took the opportunity to color it.

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Here is my comparison picture again. The shoe for the anchor is still far too small, but the rest is slowly coming along :-)

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Even more distinct without color.

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As the picture is from 1920 and the state I am showing is 10 years earlier I do not know yet how much of the rot I will show.

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:35 am
dafi
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Thank you SG!

When the side gallery was in place, it didn't seem gloomy enough. An anxious look, and sure enough, the white balusters that I had been looking forward to so much just weren't there. Crap. And painting over it looked like crap. I'm sorry, but it did.

Like dafi does what dafi does best: Destruction!

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So I broke out the white balusters and put in new black ones. Now the eyeliner is still missing in the broad white profiles and then it could work. It's only an approximation anyway, as otherwise the side galleries would have to be completely rebuilt. At that time, the curves were less pronounced and the whole structure was more angular. But I can't reconstruct it much better with the documents I have so far. Maybe later on, new sources might turn up.

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And since I was just tinkering around, I added the chutes for the signal cannons. Probably so that powder and cartridge residues don't stick to the ship's side.

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:26 am
SG1
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Beautiful dafi-esque work. Amazing as always :cool_2:
Post Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:16 am
dafi
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Made a little progress over the last few days.

First planked the poop railing, then built the curved end to the aft deck railing, pressed on the end strip using cable ties.

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Then sanded down the balusters on the side pocket, which has become quite fast.

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First built the dominant vertical rear end profile.
Then came the other window frames.

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The whole thing sprayed and the white balusters glued on ...

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... and then - oh horror - ...

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:23 am
dafi
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The rigols have also found their way onto the model. Here still in the stack ...

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... and here already at the scene of the crime.

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My favorite detail :-) But I saw afterwards that the wooden panel only covers the top panel, so I'll probably have to touch that up again.

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The area of the hase bolsters has already been marked on the bow and the prison cell has also been given its bars ...

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... and the windows under the poop also got their window frames.

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:02 am
dafi
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And because it was so beautiful, we went straight on.

Some of the ports have been planked up over the years. So that it still looks very well-fortified ...

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... the missing windows were simply painted on. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

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The artillery has also found its way to the dressed rehearsal. In front are the three signal cannons for the salute, above them short 12-pounders from dubious historical stocks ...

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... and amidships the historic Trafalgar guns - or what they were considered to be at the time ;-)

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And before the questions come, yes, the barrels did indeed sit on the lower portframe back then. Improperly executed changes to the port dimensions and incorrect carriages ...

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:32 am
Martocticvs
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Fantastic! I have an appreciation for the clean, uncompromising lines and paint schemes of this period. It will be interesting to see how the warping correction turns out.
Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:22 am
dafi
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... and even the anchor chains :lol_3: :lol_3: :lol_3: :lol_3:
Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:03 am
JIM BAUMANN
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as a fellow black and white sailing ship builder....( Bretagne)

( but mine is 7 x smaller ) :big_grin:

I understand the joy of all
the ' stuff ' being uncompromisingly painted ;black and white--including the anchors
Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:15 am

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