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Nailed it!

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Thanks guys, it really means a lot, especially with the high standards of Model Warships.

Looks like a sunken ship to me. I agree, the little light on the remote submersible really adds a nice touch. Very convincing.

Wow.

Gotta give you props, man, that little submersible robot thing really brings it all together.

Ok, I'm finished with the wreck. Comments and critiques welcome.
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Steve

Great project, and looking very good.

I have to say,

it really looks good so far... Nicely blended in into the surface of the sea'bed'

Looking forwards to the end result!

Cheers,

Harm

Here is the build so far. I just have 1 pic at this time. I still need to add some sea life and take the final pictures in my studio with low ambient light to set the scene.
But just an example of what I have so far.
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The ROV light is on, but it's hardly perceivable in this light.

That's what I was hopping for. Besides, it's the only color I could get with that of small of size and power.

I applied some expanding foam under the bow and stern, after wrapping them in plastic wrap, to fill the gaps and simulate the mud after the impact. I then shaped and covered the foam with acrylic gel and paper.
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The I removed the bow and stern to allow for painting of the sea floor.
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I like the LED color.
Like looking through murky water

I,m going to place a little ROV in the scene. So I used some left over PE, some pictures of the actual ROV and a little artistic licence to make one up. I realize the umbilical is a little out of scale, but that couldn't be helped with the materials available to me. I just wanted to add a little interest to the scene.
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Again, the only LED's available were red, blue or yellow. I thought yellow would look OK against the green of the wreck.

Thanks Gary and Timmy, I'll look into it and thanks for following.
Here is my work this weekend.
The bow and stern complete with the rust wash.
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I added some wire strands, 30 ga wire insulation, and two sizes of solder to the internals to simulate conduit, pipes cabling etc.
The bow and stern with at algae green color.
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And in their final resting places on the sea floor. I know their not exactly in the same orientation as the actual, but I placed therm where they were due to space limitations.
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I still need to do a little touch up painting. I will also fill the floor under the bow and stern with some expanding foam to fill the gaps and affix them to the base, and go over that with acrylic gel. After, I will paint the sea floor and apply silt the the entire project, then add some sea life.

Gary, I imagine you're talking about the Model Factory Hiro kit: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10203313

Only $348, though!

Very nice subject and dio! I have that same book, not bad but for more detailed pics I found this !/700 kit offered for around $800.00 that you build from keel, plates, etc up. I only saw it from an Australian source and can't think of the name, but because of the $$$$$$$$ it had the most detailed instruction manual, photos, diagrams, etc that you could view on the kit. Amazing parts PE, resin, etc that was almost part for part of the actual Yamato. Of course too much kit for me, or most anyone, I found the best info for this BB that I'd been seeking for years. If interested I can find the review and let you know. I spent 5-6 hours looking nonstop the first time I saw it.

Steve,

I might be wrong, but I think all modelers long to build a dramatic scene for a model, such as a sunken warship because, among other things, it illustrates the culmination of so many skills. Thanks for showing us your endeavor. I look forward to seeing more! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

John :wave_1:

Hers an update. I damaged the bow with the torpedo strikes, and some bomb damage on the deck. I also damaged the internal bulkheads. I need to do some more work by adding some cabling, wiring and some work to the barbette.
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[quote="Modelcrazy"]Thank you Matt and Harm for following along, and Harm for you insight.
I had thought about the possibility of either the reports being wrong and/or duds. The probability of a bomb not doing an appreciable amount of damage is well founded as well. Considering all of these factors, as well as the limited view of the bow that we the public are afforded, I am going to have to fall somewhere in between. My biggest concerns, is that I'll be finished with this project and they will come out with extensive detailed pictures of the wreck. Although, it is difficult to find many pictures of the Yamato, and it was found what? 20 years ago? The forward most bomb hit will just be a dent. I figure if that area was hit by a 1000 lb bomb, the anchor area would have shown more damage than I saw. I will show more extensive surface damage near the #1 barbette as that area was the forward part of the citadel and was heavy armored.
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I will show the torpedo damage, on the other hand, on the port side, since there was clearly a breach in the video. Also the following chart has been very helpful in pointing out what was noted on Mr Allan's expedition's.
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Thank you again for your input. I appreciate it, and it has helped me in my decision making.

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Steve,

thanks for your response...

And whatever your decision is, in many ways the result for you cannot be worse than some armour guy(s) posting in Missing-Lynx seem to experience regularly: having decided (and started) to scratch-build or heavily modify existing (and usually sub-standard) kits into a vehicle (variant) of their liking, by the time they are done one of the major manufacturers will be announcing (or putting out) a kit of that vehicle (variant)... :big_grin:

And yes, as far as the damage done, your guess is probably as good as any. And unless Mr. Allan's expedition has scanned/recorded the whole ship and will be putting that information out there (at some point), odds are you'll have all info available for the forseeable future. You know more about the info available for Yamato than I do, but for instance to my knowledge the info available for Hood and Bismarck is seriously limited as well... and that despite some intensive and focussed research (and multiple expeditions). And AFAIK some contentious questions will remain unanswered forever (like whether Bismarck sank because she was scuttled, or because of torpedoes). BTW, IIRC from the Bismarck wreck, despite the alleged pounding she took - including being hit by Royal Navy battleship main battery shells at close to point blank range, the damage seems to have been quite limited, as far as could be observed. Hell, the whole thing in many ways looked still like a ship, as if it was just stranded and could in fact be raised and float again (the way it was positioned at the sea floor).

Looking forward to your next update!

Cheers,

Harm

Thank you Matt and Harm for following along, and Harm for you insight.
I had thought about the possibility of either the reports being wrong and/or duds. The probability of a bomb not doing an appreciable amount of damage is well founded as well. Considering all of these factors, as well as the limited view of the bow that we the public are afforded, I am going to have to fall somewhere in between. My biggest concerns, is that I'll be finished with this project and they will come out with extensive detailed pictures of the wreck. Although, it is difficult to find many pictures of the Yamato, and it was found what? 20 years ago? The forward most bomb hit will just be a dent. I figure if that area was hit by a 1000 lb bomb, the anchor area would have shown more damage than I saw. I will show more extensive surface damage near the #1 barbette as that area was the forward part of the citadel and was heavy armored.
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I will show the torpedo damage, on the other hand, on the port side, since there was clearly a breach in the video. Also the following chart has been very helpful in pointing out what was noted on Mr Allan's expedition's.
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Thank you again for your input. I appreciate it, and it has helped me in my decision making.

Steve

Really looking good here... and interesting solutions to construction problems.

Regarding the absence of bomb damage on the bow based on the video footage: Some of it not showing up on Mr. Allen's videos might be the result of the narrow vision of the ROV camera. However I would also like to offer a few other explanations (though more half-educated guesses rather than actual knowledge).

(1) What are these impact reports based on? Actual damage identified on the wreck, or (also or primarily) reports from pilots/aircrew/Musashi survivors? The first major assumption there is that in fact all ID's of impacts are correct (a huge 'if'), and second the bombs hitting the deck might have been duds (a real possibility!), and as a result the impact damage might be minimal if not non-existent (especially in 1/350 scale). As a parallel I would like to offer you the USS Missouri, where the impact of a kamikaze on the rear SB main deck (where it connected to the hull) only resulted in a small dent in the armor, (something completely invisible in 1/350 scale!) and actually for most visitors only noticable because of the sign mentioning it and pointing it out!

I am thinking of this, since IIRC the reports from eyewitnesses of the sinking of the Bismarck and the actual damage identified on the hull of the wreck did not match either (at all or conclusively).

(2) They have a shot from the conning tower roof, where they identified a hole as the impact from / entry point of the bomb that actually exploded on (or close to) the combat bridge killing most of the crew there. Again, the hole seemed to be fairly small, and only standing out because of its location (and hence the ability to identify it as a likely impact), rather than other damage (from the sinking process).

(3) Underlying your question/problem seems to be the assumption that the bombs themselves were powerful enough to actually seriously damage the deck (and its fittings) in the first place. Would that necessarily have been true for (all of) them, since numerous variables factor in (size/shape of bomb, bomb load, angel of impact, where the bomb was at the exact moment it exploded - had it 'bounced', penetrated the armour, burried itself into some structure, presence of surrounding structures affecting the blast and dissipation of blast energy and so on, etc.).

Just my uninformed $ 0.02

Cheers,

and good luck with your project!

Harm

Looking good so far :thumbs_up_1: I really find wreck dioramas interesting, and this one is no exception.

Matt