The Ship Model Forum

Slow progress, but progress nonetheless!

Currently, I am building what I believe to be a modernized version of what should have been built in the 1990s, aka the corvette version of the Cyclone-class.
76mm gun
SPG-60
SRBOC
4-8 Harpoons
2 Mk38 Mod1 25mm guns
1 Phalanx CIWS
and a stern boat ramp able to accept RPBs.

This is all in 1/144.

[quote="carr"]The actual 76 mm gun is far more circular in shape when viewed from above than the model offering. Don't know if that's something you want to address or not.

[img]https://www.helis.com/database/pics/sis/4_f218.jpg[/img][/quote]
Yeah, I noticed that right off the bat. I would need to have a 1/144 made on shapeways if I wanted to correct that. By now I should own stock in shapeways...

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[quote="carr"]I don't recognize the 76mm gun. Is it the Oto Melara? If so, is it the older (Perry) style which is much more rounded and has a circular access hatch on the rear? The Super Rapid version typically is seen with an angular, faceted stealth mount cover.

Regardless, looking good![/quote]

[quote="DavidP"]is not the same gun mount that was used on the Perry class.[/quote]
It is an OTTO 76mm included in the 1/144 Gerard-class PG. I just have not glued the hatch onto the back yet :cool_2:
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And BOOM!!! Attached. I am using it, because the models are the same scale.

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[quote="navydavesof"]It's been a while everyone! I am working on a PC-1(R) at 1/144 armed with Harpoon one, a 76mm, a CIWS, a SLQ-32, Mk38, etc.

With everything else going on, I hope to get shareable progress! Any suggestions?[/quote]

It's been a while everyone! I am working on a PC-1(R) at 1/144 armed with Harpoon one, a 76mm, a CIWS, a SLQ-32, Mk38, etc.

With everything else going on, I hope to get shareable progress! Any suggestions?

[quote="carr"]Given your layout, can the CIWS withstand the RAM exhaust/heat if the RAM launches towards the stern?

[img]http://s20.postimg.org/kavtydbod/RAM.jpg[/img][/quote]
Yes, indeed! The only way for it to impact the CIWS it to fire at a zero degree elevation directly off the stern, and due to the RHIB, it would not be able to. Any other shot would be well clear of the CIWS mount.
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[quote="SumGui"]So really, a replacement for the LCS in littoral waters.[/quote]Indeed. I think the aluminum hull of this class would be good for the MCM version, perhaps internally lined with a faraday cage to limit its EM signature.

I wonder if a copper faraday cage lined wooden hull would help that version of the ship. The Hayabusa-class PGs this is based on have wooden hulls. While I was in Japan, I saw the USS Avenger chopped up in a barge like junk in a giant dumpster. The hull was impressive. It must have been 4-5' thick, and it appeared to be beautiful Burch wood. Perhaps something could be done similarly for that version of the ship.

[quote="SumGui"]Much closer to Street Fighter than our current LCS versions, and would blend well with a better FF.[/quote]Much closer, yes. However, a proper Street Fighter would likely have been a modern DASHII Gearing-class DD with a "heavy CIWS suite". I have been working on a version of that. In a modern version, I envision 2 versions. One is 3 Mk45 Mod4 guns (2 fwd and 1 aft) or the same positions replace with 76mm SR guns. The PDS would be 2 SeaRAM and 4 Millennium Guns. These would be split, 4 Millennium Guns slaved to 2 SeaRAM. As you can imagine, 1 SeaRAM fwd controlling a Millennium Gum port and stbd. Both stacks would be combined into one to allow more room for a helo hangar and landing pad. The hangar would be a single hangar wide enough to fit at least 1 HH-60 and a wing of Shadow and ScanEagle UAVs.

[quote="SumGui"]The newer AFSB/T-ESBs would be a great station ship providing repair, reload, rest, and aviation support - although saving a Whidbey Island class from decom would also make a reasonable fit for that. (and the Mk VI fits inside its well deck, so the 'Littoral Control Squadron' could have them along as well...)[/quote]My idea is to take an LSD per squadron and make it an ESB. That would be the best. This force would consist of 6 PC(R)s and 12 RCBs. This would be a beautiful Regional Influence Squadron.

[quote="navydavesof"] I am considering making a modular MCM version of this PC replacement.[/quote]

So really, a replacement for the LCS in littoral waters.

Much closer to Street Fighter than our current LCS versions, and would blend well with a better FF.

The newer AFSB/T-ESBs would be a great station ship providing repair, reload, rest, and aviation support - although saving a Whidbey Island class from decom would also make a reasonable fit for that. (and the Mk VI fits inside its well deck, so the 'Littoral Control Squadron' could have them along as well...)

[quote="carr"]Is the length to width ratio still OK?[/quote]Indeed it is! The ratio is 1:8.5. In fact, that's about the same as the Iowa-class battleships, considered to be the "perfect ratio".

I am working on the boat ramp still :heh:

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After a lot of deliberation, I decided to lengthen the ship by nearly 10 meters. This gives more area for weapons and RHIB recovery equipment.

I have it blocked out. It is not glued or smoothed, but this is the idea!

[quote="carr"]I note that you're using the CIWS potty seat housing around the actual gun. I've never heard a good explanation of what purpose the seat serves. Ammo storage? Spare parts?[/quote]Potty seat lol! I love it! From a NAVSEA perspective, I don't know, however working with the Sailors, I know it is used for ammo storage, internal maintenance of the fire-control electronics in the base, and reduced RCS.

[quote="carr"]For a smaller ship like this one, you might consider dropping the potty seat and just using the gun mount as was done in earlier times. It would save weight and space which are at a premium on smaller ships. [/quote]That is interesting! I will consider a "bucket" type arrangement like the Ambassadors have. Perhaps that will provide a few more feet between the CIWS, RAM, and the boat cradle winch mechanism.

[quote="carr"]For example, the Egyptian Ambassador MkIII's do not use the potty seat, if I recall.[/quote]
Very interesting! I will consider it, and I will build a version and see how it sits!

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[quote="carr"][quote="navydavesof"] The stern might need to be a touch longer so I can put the rear barn doors on her.[/quote]
You'll recall that the Navy has been putting those ducktail extensions on the sterns of ships to improve fuel efficiency? Depending on how much of a "touch longer" you need, you might be able to incorporate a small deck extension built on top of the ducktail? Might gain you a couple of feet? Just thinking out loud, here.[/quote]
There will indeed be a thrush in that of the Hayabusa. The barn door launchers will be there. In fact the ductail will indeed lengthen out the stern a bit! I am considering weather to include the 3rd engine into a jet drive or just have it be a generator...

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[quote="carr"]The winch mechanism could be below deck with just a cable leading up to the stern through pulleys?

You obviously have something in mind that will fit so I'll have faith![/quote]I was thinking about the winch being below deck and the cable either coming up to the main deck through some sort of gasket to keep water out or have it feed straight out into the boat cradle area, with no pulley needed. The stern might need to be a touch longer so I can put the rear barn doors on her.

Concerning the EO sensor system, that is a pretty cool model. I would love your input on what type I should use! It will be on the mast, so it will have a great view.

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