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ED K,I just have to agree with the others,it is the most impressive and good looking model I ever seen.After looking at that it is only to quit modelbuilding. Where did you by that wooden stick? Just great. :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Ed I have one question for you. how do you trim the wood that overhangs? Just use the good ole #11 or is there another tool you use?
Thanks,
Rich
Ed I have one question for you. how do you trim the wood that overhangs? Just use the good ole #11 or is there another tool you use?
Thanks,
Rich
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GrizzlyBear wrote: But I wanted to ask: How many bags/packages of wood did you need, what's the stock # for the size you used and where on the ship did you start planking?
I know my Montana is alot bigger than Bismarck, but it'll still give me an idea of how much I'd need.
BTW: Happy New Year!
Bill
. Believe it or not, this is the most difficult question I have had to field so far. I had a couple of packets leftover from my first build from Northeastern which were 12" long and I think 25 pieces in each. I also bought another 50 pieces 24" long from Kappler, but I did not use that full pack. When I get home tonight I'll try & do a better tally of what I used, but I think 1 packet of 50 pieces of 24" long 1X3's should be good. I ordered more because I have the Yamato & King George V to re-deck, so I will use them there. Ed [quote="GrizzlyBear"]
But I wanted to ask: How many bags/packages of wood did you need, what's the stock # for the size you used and where on the ship did you start planking?
I know my Montana is alot bigger than Bismarck, but it'll still give me an idea of how much I'd need.
BTW: Happy New Year!
Bill
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Believe it or not, this is the most difficult question I have had to field so far. I had a couple of packets leftover from my first build from Northeastern which were 12" long and I think 25 pieces in each. I also bought another 50 pieces 24" long from Kappler, but I did not use that full pack.
When I get home tonight I'll try & do a better tally of what I used, but I think 1 packet of 50 pieces of 24" long 1X3's should be good.
I ordered more because I have the Yamato & King George V to re-deck, so I will use them there.
Ed
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:20 pm |
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The wood decks on both those models really makes them jewels.
The wood decks on both those models really makes them jewels.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:00 pm |
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Ed,
Absolutely fantastic work on your Bismarck! It was your pics which now have me seriously considering doing the same thing with my Montana.
But I wanted to ask: How many bags/packages of wood did you need, what's the stock # for the size you used and where on the ship did you start planking?
I know my Montana is alot bigger than Bismarck, but it'll still give me an idea of how much I'd need.
BTW: Happy New Year!
Bill
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Ed,
Absolutely fantastic work on your Bismarck! It was your pics which now have me seriously considering doing the same thing with my Montana.
But I wanted to ask: How many bags/packages of wood did you need, what's the stock # for the size you used and where on the ship did you start planking?
I know my Montana is alot bigger than Bismarck, but it'll still give me an idea of how much I'd need.
BTW: Happy New Year!
Bill
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:40 am |
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Yes, the barrells are from Steve Nuttall. Im also using all 3 of the WEM PE sets. The small weapons set, the deck set, and the main PE set. I hardly used anything out of the deck set.
This will be my fourth ship doing the decks. I get faster at doing the decks every time I do one. The first one took me about nine months to do, the second about five months, third about four. The Chopper is a must for these decks as well as a good glue applicator.
Ill post some more progress pictures when I get farther along. Everyone have a good New Year.
Jeremy Dominique
Yes, the barrells are from Steve Nuttall. Im also using all 3 of the WEM PE sets. The small weapons set, the deck set, and the main PE set. I hardly used anything out of the deck set.
This will be my fourth ship doing the decks. I get faster at doing the decks every time I do one. The first one took me about nine months to do, the second about five months, third about four. The Chopper is a must for these decks as well as a good glue applicator.
Ill post some more progress pictures when I get farther along. Everyone have a good New Year.
Jeremy Dominique
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:21 pm |
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Nice looking Bismarck Jeremy! I'm glad you liked the ship.
This is the second wood deck project I have done. I first saw Warren Jones' New Jersey on the web and decided to do the same for my New Jersey. I even emailed him a couple of questions to get started.
The first shot was full lengths of wood applied with Elmer's with all of the deck items that would be in the way removed. Then after staining, I reattached them referring to a phot of the decks next to a ruler as a guide. That only took about 4 months of on/off working to get that done.
The second, the Bismarck, was cut lengths using CA and that took about 8 months (much more deck to cover and the individual lengths made up for the time difference). I didn't remove as much stuff on the Bismarck, but I think I should have done that. Next project will be done that way.
By the way, nice barrels. Are they from Mr. Nuttall?
Looks like that will be a great looking model when you are done.
Ed
Nice looking Bismarck Jeremy! I'm glad you liked the ship.
This is the second wood deck project I have done. I first saw Warren Jones' New Jersey on the web and decided to do the same for my New Jersey. I even emailed him a couple of questions to get started.
The first shot was full lengths of wood applied with Elmer's with all of the deck items that would be in the way removed. Then after staining, I reattached them referring to a phot of the decks next to a ruler as a guide. That only took about 4 months of on/off working to get that done.
The second, the Bismarck, was cut lengths using CA and that took about 8 months (much more deck to cover and the individual lengths made up for the time difference). I didn't remove as much stuff on the Bismarck, but I think I should have done that. Next project will be done that way.
By the way, nice barrels. Are they from Mr. Nuttall?
Looks like that will be a great looking model when you are done.
Ed
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:52 pm |
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Incredible Bismarck Mr. Keegan. Love your wood decks. Is this your first kit doing the wood decks? How long did it take you to get the decks complete? Im working on my Bismarck now and planking the decks. I havent had much time to work on it lately. Heres a couple of old pictures of mine, the pictures are kind of blurry.
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Jeremy1072/Bismarck-planks3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Jeremy1072/IMAG0020.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Jeremy1072/IMAG0023.jpg[/img]
P.S.
How do you post images and not links.
Jeremy Dominique
Incredible Bismarck Mr. Keegan. Love your wood decks. Is this your first kit doing the wood decks? How long did it take you to get the decks complete? Im working on my Bismarck now and planking the decks. I havent had much time to work on it lately. Heres a couple of old pictures of mine, the pictures are kind of blurry.
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Jeremy1072/Bismarck-planks3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Jeremy1072/IMAG0020.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Jeremy1072/IMAG0023.jpg[/img]
P.S.
How do you post images and not links.
Jeremy Dominique
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Ok, this may not be the best way, but this is what I do (I hope I don't forget something): 1. Photograph deck next to a ruler so you know where the deck gear goes (I thought I had a picture for this but I cannot find it) 2. Slice off deck gear with a wide xacto chisel style blade. Work the knife back and forth and cut into the item a little bit on one side, then go at it from the other. Take your time. Be careful. Develop this skill by practicing on junk kits. It's OK, even preferential, to take a little deck with the piece. You can sand the item even later and fill the deck impression later also. Take as much deck gear as you think needs to come off the deck. With the first ship I did (a modern BB) I removed ALL deck stuff in the way. On this one I only removed the non-square items because I knew I was going to put some PE on most of the hatch areas. In retrospect I probably should have removed more items, as I did in the first attempt.  3. Decide on a pattern inlcuding how long to make the lengths. I have done continuous and cut lengths, I like cut lengths better. I used 20mm for the Bismarck. While 10mm would have been closer to scale, but I didn't want to lay that many pieces. 4. Decide on whether to build the deck pieces separately or together. If you are going to assemble the deck prior to gluing the wood, make sure you do anything necessary to trim deck items in the way before gluing them together. Make the deck joints firmer if the kit's joints are weak. I built the first separate and the second together. I like putting the decks together first.  5. Decide on where to start planking. I usually begin in a more open part of the deck. Since all of the ships I have built had engraved lines, I could follow them for the line up and start almost anywhere as long as I used the engraved deck lines as a guide. If there are none, then finding a center line and starting it off of that would be the best. 6. Cut the lengths (I used the Chopper)  7. Drop some CA on a surface (wax paper) 8. Use small tweezers to pick up a length, touch one end of one side in the drop, then wipe that drop back over the length.   9. Place the butt end of the length where you want it. Touch that side with the back of your blade in your other hand. 10. Lay the rest of the length down, maneuvering it quickly if needed before pressing down. You will have to develop your own technique here. Mine basically is to wipe the length down with one finger (being careful it doesn't stick to it) to wipe off the excess CA and to set the length. 11. Sometimes you will need some pressure to get the length to sit down, and here I use tweezers or the back of my blade or something else. 12. Keep laying the pieces following your pattern, making cuts on the lengths where necessary to fit against the superstructure or anything you have left on the deck. Sometimes I will do the fill in later after I have the area pretty much covered. 13, Overhang the edge and trim/sand later. Sand downward or sideways mostly to avoid catching an edge and pulling up the piece. 14. Continue untill all deck areas to be wood are covered 15. Lightly sand the deck 16. Stain the deck with your favorite stain combination  17 Alternative Glue Option: Use white glue, paint an area on the deck, lay some lengths, get them aligned & seated. Clean up the area around the section just placed. Repeat. Pick back up at #12. I think that's it. If you have any questions, let me know. Ed Ok, this may not be the best way, but this is what I do (I hope I don't forget something):
1. Photograph deck next to a ruler so you know where the deck gear goes
(I thought I had a picture for this but I cannot find it)
2. Slice off deck gear with a wide xacto chisel style blade. Work the knife back and forth and cut into the item a little bit on one side, then go at it from the other. Take your time. Be careful. Develop this skill by practicing on junk kits. It's OK, even preferential, to take a little deck with the piece. You can sand the item even later and fill the deck impression later also. Take as much deck gear as you think needs to come off the deck. With the first ship I did (a modern BB) I removed ALL deck stuff in the way. On this one I only removed the non-square items because I knew I was going to put some PE on most of the hatch areas. In retrospect I probably should have removed more items, as I did in the first attempt.
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/P1010015.jpg[/img]
3. Decide on a pattern inlcuding how long to make the lengths. I have done continuous and cut lengths, I like cut lengths better. I used 20mm for the Bismarck. While 10mm would have been closer to scale, but I didn't want to lay that many pieces.
4. Decide on whether to build the deck pieces separately or together. If you are going to assemble the deck prior to gluing the wood, make sure you do anything necessary to trim deck items in the way before gluing them together. Make the deck joints firmer if the kit's joints are weak. I built the first separate and the second together. I like putting the decks together first.
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/P1010012.jpg[/img]
5. Decide on where to start planking. I usually begin in a more open part of the deck. Since all of the ships I have built had engraved lines, I could follow them for the line up and start almost anywhere as long as I used the engraved deck lines as a guide. If there are none, then finding a center line and starting it off of that would be the best.
6. Cut the lengths (I used the Chopper)
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/P1010013.jpg[/img]
7. Drop some CA on a surface (wax paper)
8. Use small tweezers to pick up a length, touch one end of one side in the drop, then wipe that drop back over the length.
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/P1010017.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/P1010018.jpg[/img]
9. Place the butt end of the length where you want it. Touch that side with the back of your blade in your other hand.
10. Lay the rest of the length down, maneuvering it quickly if needed before pressing down. You will have to develop your own technique here. Mine basically is to wipe the length down with one finger (being careful it doesn't stick to it) to wipe off the excess CA and to set the length.
11. Sometimes you will need some pressure to get the length to sit down, and here I use tweezers or the back of my blade or something else.
12. Keep laying the pieces following your pattern, making cuts on the lengths where necessary to fit against the superstructure or anything you have left on the deck. Sometimes I will do the fill in later after I have the area pretty much covered.
13, Overhang the edge and trim/sand later. Sand downward or sideways mostly to avoid catching an edge and pulling up the piece.
14. Continue untill all deck areas to be wood are covered
15. Lightly sand the deck
16. Stain the deck with your favorite stain combination
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/P1010016.jpg[/img]
17 Alternative Glue Option: Use white glue, paint an area on the deck, lay some lengths, get them aligned & seated. Clean up the area around the section just placed. Repeat. Pick back up at #12.
I think that's it. If you have any questions, let me know.
Ed
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Ed Keegan wrote: Thanks for the kind words! I didn't want to take up too much room with pictures, but some of these may be helpful. If I'm lucky the article will make the What's New section and it will all be there as well. I did a decnt job of researching where things went on the Bismarck, but I did not go the full route of getting a book on her. I will probably do that with other projects in the future. Some construction notes: The HO Scale 1X3's for the wood deck, cut to 20mm (should be 10mm for scale lengths, but I wasn't going to lay that many peices!!!). I used the Chopper to make the lengths, then touched one side to a puddle of CA, then scraped the CA across the stick by sliding the stick across the wax paper where the puddle was, then place on deck quickly (don't have too much time): http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/l ... arck_2.jpgEd This is incredible, I also have sets from WEM and the deck just gives me headake, I have started rescribing it but it is not satisfacttory, this would be the best way to do it. Could You please send some more in-progress pictures of the deck? Thanks in advance Regards Marko  [quote="Ed Keegan"]Thanks for the kind words!
I didn't want to take up too much room with pictures, but some of these may be helpful. If I'm lucky the article will make the What's New section and it will all be there as well. I did a decnt job of researching where things went on the Bismarck, but I did not go the full route of getting a book on her. I will probably do that with other projects in the future.
Some construction notes:
The HO Scale 1X3's for the wood deck, cut to 20mm (should be 10mm for scale lengths, but I wasn't going to lay that many peices!!!). I used the Chopper to make the lengths, then touched one side to a puddle of CA, then scraped the CA across the stick by sliding the stick across the wax paper where the puddle was, then place on deck quickly (don't have too much time):
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_2.jpg
Ed[/quote]
This is incredible, I also have sets from WEM and the deck just gives me headake, I have started rescribing it but it is not satisfacttory, this would be the best way to do it. Could You please send some more in-progress pictures of the deck?
Thanks in advance
Regards
Marko
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Ed, simply magnificent!
Ed, simply magnificent!
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:37 pm |
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Washing and drybrushing is one area I have not done much with on ships. I may still try and use a technique to bring out the detail, but I didn't want to screw up anything I had already done!
Since the ship was still pretty new, I decided to build it without any extra treatment first. I may try using diluted smoke as a wash and see how that goes. What I do realize is the PE guns would look much better if I had done something to them.
I have used washes and drybrushing on my armor and aircraft models, but it I think I need to improve these skills. I think the next steel ship I will try and do as a waterline with some weathering and some sailors on deck and see how that turns out.
I was just pretty happy I had finished it!!!
Thanks for the comments,
Ed
Washing and drybrushing is one area I have not done much with on ships. I may still try and use a technique to bring out the detail, but I didn't want to screw up anything I had already done!
Since the ship was still pretty new, I decided to build it without any extra treatment first. I may try using diluted smoke as a wash and see how that goes. What I do realize is the PE guns would look much better if I had done something to them.
I have used washes and drybrushing on my armor and aircraft models, but it I think I need to improve these skills. I think the next steel ship I will try and do as a waterline with some weathering and some sailors on deck and see how that turns out.
I was just pretty happy I had finished it!!!
Thanks for the comments,
Ed
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wonderful looking build..lots of brass and work on that wood deck...If I may though..she looks to pristine. A little subtle work with some pastels and dry brush would make some of those add ons pop out at you..
wonderful looking build..lots of brass and work on that wood deck...If I may though..she looks to pristine. A little subtle work with some pastels and dry brush would make some of those add ons pop out at you..
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I have already praised your model, but after seeing these new pictures I can not but say again what a beautiful job!! REALLY WELL DONE ED!!! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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WOW  One of the best builds I've seen on here for a while, bravo sir!  The 1st I've seen built with all of WEM's toys as well!!! One thing that caught my eye was you have even modelled the creases on the blast bags for Anton turret!!!  Bloody Marvellous!  Laurence WOW :thumbs_up_1:
One of the best builds I've seen on here for a while, bravo sir! :lol_1:
The 1st I've seen built with all of WEM's toys as well!!!
One thing that caught my eye was you have even modelled the creases on the blast bags for Anton turret!!! :lol_3:
Bloody Marvellous! :rolf_3:
Laurence
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Ed, this is probably the best model I have ever seen from Bismarck. Jolly Good Show!!!! Ed, this is probably the best model I have ever seen from Bismarck. Jolly Good Show!!!! :thumbs_up_1:
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Very impressive, look forward to more, ARH :wave_1: :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1:
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:11 am |
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Thanks for the kind words! I didn't want to take up too much room with pictures, but some of these may be helpful. If I'm lucky the article will make the What's New section and it will all be there as well. I did a decnt job of researching where things went on the Bismarck, but I did not go the full route of getting a book on her. I will probably do that with other projects in the future. Some construction notes: The HO Scale 1X3's for the wood deck, cut to 20mm (should be 10mm for scale lengths, but I wasn't going to lay that many peices!!!). I used the Chopper to make the lengths, then touched one side to a puddle of CA, then scraped the CA across the stick by sliding the stick across the wax paper where the puddle was, then place on deck quickly (don't have too much time):   The PE Work before paint/assembly. Everything is just sitting on the deck & hull (The deck was glued together before placing on the hull to help with the wood application:   Other closer shots of the ship:    I'm hoping to make a good run on the other 3 BB's from WWII I will build, but my son wants me to build him a wood pirate ship, so it will be a while before I start the next steel nacy ship, and I may try the Essex as the first plastic ship back. Ed Thanks for the kind words!
I didn't want to take up too much room with pictures, but some of these may be helpful. If I'm lucky the article will make the What's New section and it will all be there as well. I did a decnt job of researching where things went on the Bismarck, but I did not go the full route of getting a book on her. I will probably do that with other projects in the future.
Some construction notes:
The HO Scale 1X3's for the wood deck, cut to 20mm (should be 10mm for scale lengths, but I wasn't going to lay that many peices!!!). I used the Chopper to make the lengths, then touched one side to a puddle of CA, then scraped the CA across the stick by sliding the stick across the wax paper where the puddle was, then place on deck quickly (don't have too much time):
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_1.jpg[/img]
The PE Work before paint/assembly. Everything is just sitting on the deck & hull (The deck was glued together before placing on the hull to help with the wood application:
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_3.jpg[/img]
Other closer shots of the ship:
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_8.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/lliejk/Bismarck_11.jpg[/img]
I'm hoping to make a good run on the other 3 BB's from WWII I will build, but my son wants me to build him a wood pirate ship, so it will be a while before I start the next steel nacy ship, and I may try the Essex as the first plastic ship back.
Ed
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Magnificient job Ed!! Hope to see some more pics from your build. There are so many details to be seen on that model! Keep up the good work and a Merry Xmas to you all!!!!
Magnificient job Ed!! Hope to see some more pics from your build. There are so many details to be seen on that model! Keep up the good work and a Merry Xmas to you all!!!!
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