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by **TomRigg17** » Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:42 pm

How wold the operator release a DC from a rail?
Was there a lever or pedal or wheel or something?
Tom

by **Brett Morrow** » Wed May 15, 2024 8:03 am

I think you will find the centreline on the Waterhen`s stern shot passes through the middle of the prefix 2. The towing slip was directly on the centreline with the strbd fairlead being closer to it. This image of Vampire in DD illustrates perfectly, the small stern scuttle was on the port side of centre.

by **englishgunner** » Wed May 15, 2024 4:19 am

Thankyou gentlemen, I will now build another four canister rack!
Cheers,
Will

by **TomRigg17** » Fri May 10, 2024 3:45 am

I believe the picture was not taken from directly astern but a little off the port side. and that the pennant number would be centralised across the stern, so the actual centre would be about between the 'I' and the '2' about where the '.(dot)' is.
Tom

by **Brett Morrow** » Thu May 09, 2024 2:47 pm

Images can be very deceiving Will, it is apparent that there was very little room on the stern of a V and W. The only thing on the centreline was the towing slip with a fairlead either side. I suggest what you see is two 4 DC canister rails, what may look like an extra single DC cradle immediately outboard of the port rail is likely the deck stock holding DC reloads. Whilst many ships were fitted with a single DC stern rail, that was not the case with RAN V and W`s, all were fitted with two 4 canister rails after removal of the paravave gantries.

by **englishgunner** » Wed May 08, 2024 4:14 am

Thanks Brett,
I am not sure but thanks again. Looking at that image it looks to me like one single depth charge rack is definitely on the centreline (right circle) and a single depth charge ready to be rolled off to its left (left hand arrow). Some allied warships did have the single rack. Is it documented somewhere that she had the two and not the one?. I have built a single rack for my ship and await your reply,
Cheers,
Will

by **Brett Morrow** » Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:23 am

I had uploaded the full cropped image for you a little over 3 years ago on `HMAS in Scale` did you not download it Will?

by **englishgunner** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:10 pm

Thanks alot Brett,
do you have any other reference images of the Waterhen, I have not seen that stern one before and think there must be alot more? (hopefully)
Cheers,
will

by **Brett Morrow** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:45 pm

2 rails, each of 4 DC canister capacity.

by **englishgunner** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:25 am

Hello all,
a question about the stern of the HMAS Waterhen at the time of her loss - what sort of depth charge set up did she have, if any - the stern looks rather bare to me, if anyone can advise - I am still plugging away with my 1/35 scale,
Cheers,
Will

by **Brett Morrow** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:14 pm

Will, the only equipment within the platform was the searchlight. From `as fitted` drawings it appears there were two sizes of that particular projector, 21" and 24" Waterhen was fitted with a 24" and it was still fitted when she went down. I do not know what Mk this WW1 vintage S.L. was, and full clear images of it`s layout are very hard to find. Here are two images of the projector, both are of V Leaders, there was an operator platform towards the base of the pedestal.

by **englishgunner** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:40 am

Thankyou Brett,
still gives some good detail for my Waterhen - was looking for what sort of equipment was inside the searchlight tower amongst other things,
Cheers, Will

by **Brett Morrow** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:58 am

It is HMAS Voyager at Coffs Harbour, 8th Aug 1938.

by **englishgunner** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:20 am

Hello all,
I am hoping this is an image of the HMAS Waterhen. Can anyone clarify and hopefully have a better quality copy of it?
Cheers Will

by **englishgunner** » Tue May 25, 2021 11:10 pm

Hello, thanks for all your help with the paint schemes. I ended up choosing these three paints. It is nearly four hour return to the hobby shop and I don�t have a lot of time! Not completely happy but it was the closest I could find in a spray can,
Cheers will

by **SovereignHobbies** » Wed May 12, 2021 2:49 pm

Brett Morrow wrote:Perfect James, thankyou for correcting, it did look a bit dark.
Mk I eyeball says it now looks close to the original WEM 507B.

Indeed it is. There are a couple of data points documented which indicate that the 50/50 mix should land at approximately 20% LRV. When I made linseed oil samples of 507A and C to the published formulae I mixed the results in equal parts and also got fairly close to this value. I'm not sure by what roundabout way it happened, but the Snyder & Short 507B chip measures out under spectrophotometer with a Light Reflectance Value of 19.6%, so I'd say your Mk.1 Eyeball is correctly calibrated today!

by **Brett Morrow** » Wed May 12, 2021 3:40 am

Perfect James, thankyou for correcting, it did look a bit dark.
Mk I eyeball says it now looks close to the original WEM 507B.

by **SovereignHobbies** » Wed May 12, 2021 2:19 am

Brett Morrow wrote: James may like to make comment as his description would be more precise, 507B before 1940 was a full gloss colour, A & B were the same colour but dependent on enamel content will present as a different tone/hue.

Hi Brett, I hope you're well? My only comment is that I think something has gone awry on the 50/50 digital sample. I downloaded your image to check the RBG values and whilst the 507C is bang on, the 507A is our NARN20 which is at its lightest tolerance (which is fine) but the reason there doesn't appear much difference between the 507A and 50/50 is that somehow the values have wandered downwards somewhere along the way.

I hope you don't mind but I've adjusted it a bit to show 507A at its nominal 10% RF appearance and fixed the 50/50 RGB values, so now they relate a bit better to one another.

by **englishgunner** » Mon May 10, 2021 6:33 pm

Brilliant, thanks Brett, that makes a lot of sense now, I will go with those three colours,
cheers, Will

by **Brett Morrow** » Mon May 10, 2021 6:03 pm

A lot of research has passed since 2002 Will, there are several well written articles on Sovereign Hobbies webpage explaining the colours which you should read up on. Further research would suggest that no RAN ship was ever painted with 507B.
James may like to make comment as his description would be more precise, 507B before 1940 was a full gloss colour, A & B were the same colour but dependent on enamel content will present as a different tone/hue.
The colour I used way back in 2002 was the old WEM 507B. Dependent on how pedantic you are, if you had that colour it would be somewhere near 50/50. To be totally accurate you would use the Sovereign colour NARN 24. Australian distributor of Sovereign Colourcoats is Creative Models in Heathcote, the paints are enamel, Not acrylic.

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