The Ship Model Forum

Boy, a long time since postings in this topic. :big_grin:

I bought Black Cat's 1/350 scale model of the HMS HUNT class Type III to build because I have been interested in this class and thought a comparison with the USN destroyers/destroyer escorts I'm building would be interesting. This class saw extensive combat during WWII and many units were lost or became CTL and ended their service (about half of the Type III units that stayed in RN service were so lost). Anyway, as I started to build this kit I looked at what camo was applied to the 27 units of this class built (with seven being transferred to allies). I have never been a fan of the various dazzle camo schemes seeing them as useless against modern threats. So I started looking for units painted in late WWII schemes. My references for RN units that include the HUNT's have only a few images. However, between my references and online searches, I came across a few likely units. For most of these images I have no accurate dates nor ideas of where they were operating.

Here are four images of units I'm thinking of building - [b][i]HMS Belvoir (L-32), HMS Bleasdale (L-50), HMS Easton (L-09), and HMS Tallybont (L-18) [/i][/b]. They represents what appear to be three different late WWII camo schemes. Also, they show different armament upgrades that I have found being referenced in a confusing manner. There appear to have been armament and radar upgrades NOT applied universally across the type III units. Some units got two single 40-mm guns. One is seen forward of the bridge. The other one is confusing as to its location. So sources say it replaced the quad Pom-Pom and others on the fantail. Also, references say twin 20-mm mounts replaced some (or all) single 20-mm guns. Are these the powered twin mounts or manual operated mounts?

I'm asking if anyone has drawings for the armament changes and the approximate time frame of these images. HMS Tallybont was at Omaha beach on D-Day and HMS Belvoir was at the South France invasion.

I've not done any modelling since I was a teenager (I'm now 40), but have just bought a 1/700 kit of ORP Krakowiak which my wife's Polish grandfather served on during the war and that I intend to build for her.

One thing I'm not sure on is the colour scheme, I can't recall seeing this scheme in any of the photos of the ship that I've seen (and I've looked at a lot!).

Here's a photo of the kit which shows the camo pattern:
[img]http://www.ibgmodels.com/img/700/70003.jpg[/img]

We do have a book about the Krakowiak which I need to check later, but was wondering if anyone had seen images of this ship with that colour scheme?

We think he served on the ship from mid 1943 as we know he made it to England via Gibraltar (after being rescued from a work camp by German resistance) and the ship was stationed at Gibraltar at that time. He was certainly present at the Normandy landings.

All that's to say that as the model is of the Krakowiak in 1944 then if the colour scheme is correct he would have been serving on the ship at the time.

Actually whilst writing this I just came across this image that I'd not seen before of the Krakowiak in a very similar colour scheme:

[img]http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/500/media-500890/large.jpg?action=d&cat=photographs[/img]

Now to source the correct colours of paint.... I always used humbrol in my youth, what's best to use these days?

There is this for Type I Hunt :
http://neptunia-hobbies.com/index.html

Its a paper model of HMS Cotswold in 200th scale .It has 3-D details drawings of that vessel.It proved very useful for my scratch-built 350th model.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dmBjg6km.jpg[/img]



Hope this helps

Regards Phil

[quote="Perth_shipyard"]Chasing plans for a type 1 Hunt class destroyer. HMS Quorn in particular. My girlfriends grandfather was onboard her when she was sunk in Normandy. So interested in a possible future project in 1/72[/quote]

Hi,
I was just wondering whether you managed to track down any plans? my grandfathers brother, Charles Bradley was also lost on her.
Regards,

Neil Kirby

Nice, clean build of IBG 1/700 RN Hunt class destroyer kit:

http://modelwork.pl/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=58750

All:

Would anyone know if additional photos exist of HMS Badsworth in the modified two-color version of the original three-color camouflage scheme she wore when first commissioned, in which the MS1 (dark grey) panels were overpainted in MS3 (medium grey-green)?

This famous photo of her entering Malta harbor, low in the bow, after sustaining combat damage in June 1942, is the only photo of her in this modified version of her original scheme that I am aware of: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/HMS_Badsworth_Malta.jpg

Any help in directing me to other photos of her in this two-color version of her original three-color scheme would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Mike E.

Chasing plans for a type 1 Hunt class destroyer. HMS Quorn in particular. My girlfriends grandfather was onboard her when she was sunk in Normandy. So interested in a possible future project in 1/72

[quote="Mike W"]

Secondly is the camouflage. The instructions call for a 3 colour scheme, White Gray, Medium Green Grey and Black Grey. Would this simply be APC507A, B and C, with decks in APC507A?

thanks
Mike[/quote]

No, the green component was quite distinctive, and the white-grey was lighter than 507C--more toward WA white. If I still have my custom mixes chart (I haven't been active for many months), I'll look up the percentages I obtained from a private source in 2011.

:thumbs_up_1:

I've got an old Doc Model 1/700 Type 2 Hunt kit, HMS Badsworth.

I think the kit depicts the ship in 1941 not long after completion as the only AA armament is a quad pompom and the only radar is the usual 'yagi' ariel on the director.

I've a couple of issues to clear up, the first is would she have any other radar fitted in 1941?

Secondly is the camouflage. The instructions call for a 3 colour scheme, White Gray, Medium Green Grey and Black Grey. Would this simply be APC507A, B and C, with decks in APC507A?

thanks
Mike

Dave, I merged your post into this thread, where [url=http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=37898&start=60#p315154]this post[/url] mentions a 1/700 kit.

Hi, does anyone know of available models of the good looking WWII destroyer?
Dave

Thanks Rick! Very interesting!

I posted this on the Main Forum Page, but thought I should add it here as well.

Another couple of oddball photos I came across at NARA II. These photos were taken of the BAE PRESIDENTE VELASCO IBARRA (ex-HMS MEYNELL) and aboard the BAE PRESIDENTE ALFARO (ex-HMS QUANTOCK). These two were bought from the UK in 1955, refitted and transferred to Ecuador, one unit on 16 August 1955 (ALFARO) and the other shortly afterwards (from Janes Fighting Ships). In June 1956 they both came to the USA for training with USN personnel.

I thought that the close-up view of the twin 4-in mount was really nice.


[img]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p303/TincanREDavis/BAEPresidenteVelascox10-Jun56.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p303/TincanREDavis/Twin4-inMountx10-Jun56.jpg[/img]

Just a quick heads up for any that are interested.

A 1/700 type IV will be released end of March/early April.


Roy

There is a cardstock model plan for it on my http://LCoat.tripod.com webpage.

All:

Surfing the web, I came across these picture of HMS Calpe during the sinking of U593 (done in conjunction with the USS Wainright). A fascinating series of shots.

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-593SinkingPhotos.htm

Calpe is wearing her interesting Mediterranean scheme depicted in the aforementioned links that Tim Stoneman and I provided.

Enjoy!

Mike E.

All:

Here is a very nice shot of ORP Krakowiak from the same site that Tim Stoneman directed us to for the photo of HMS Calpe.

http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20S/slides/Silverton%20L115-01.html

It is lister under Silverton, which was her name before being transfered to a Polish crew.

Tim, thanks for tipping me off regarding the existance of this site. It has some great photos I've not seen before.

Mike E.

Tim:

Thanks for providing the link. That's a spectacular shot, even if the quality isn't great! Many thanks for that!

And it's a great scheme!

Mike

[quote="RNfanDan"]
They were originally called "Fast Escort Vessels" but this was likely a term carefully chosen as a concession to assure funding and avoid the "D" word among politicians, than any technical or practical variance in their status. In the end, all such political pretense was done away with and they were became Escort Destroyers. The Hunts were armed (in the majority) as escorts and therefore, could qualify as DEs by that navy's standards.

I think it's largely a matter of semantics.[/quote]

They were reclassified post-war as frigates.

Cheers,

rob

My earlier post had a slight error - the photo in Elliott's book was taken from the port side, not starboard. There's a poor reproduction of the photo at http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20C/slides/Calpe%20L71-01.html.