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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:30 am

And whose firing on the Allies? These two, Nachi and Haguro (right) depicted in that very same gunfire exchange; from a print by Jim Laurier.
https://www.jimlaurier.com/

Unfortunately it was 'painted' and published reversed in the book it was originally commissioned for, that is with the ships firing to starboard.
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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:09 am

Just thought I'd resurrect this thread with a wonderful painting done of Dr Ruyter by Maarten Platje.
https://maartenplatje.com/product/art-p ... 45+x+60+cm

Seems to portray the moment during the B of JS on 27-2-42 just after Exeter took the 8" hit and starts to sheer away astern of DR.
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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by DrPR » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:34 pm

Looks like that foot at the bow was added for streaming paravanes for mine sweeping. The cables would be led through the holes. It certainly looks like an afterthought.

Phil

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Paper Lab » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:46 pm

I'm not familiar with that book. Plans I posted are copies of originals from Dutch archives. You can see the whole set plus many many more here:
https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/onderzo ... invnr/%401

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:57 pm

Paper Lab wrote:Sorry if you guys already familiar with these drawings. But this is what the original ship plan shows. To me it looks like solid plate with ribbing and two holes for cables.
No, I had not seen those before..........unless that is the plan/s that are in the Dutch language 'Java and Sumatra Cruisers' book (by, at a guess, Mulder?), which I have but it's half a world away now. :roll_eyes: Thanks for posting those.

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Paper Lab » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:39 am

Sorry if you guys already familiar with these drawings. But this is what the original ship plan shows. To me it looks like solid plate with ribbing and two holes for cables.

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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:52 am

Brett Morrow wrote:The launch image is tagged as Java, what are you looking for Kevin ?
If DavidP`s drawing is dated 1926 and it is official ? it`s a fair assumption that the modification was performed on both ships fairly early.
Thanks Brett. And no particular thing I was looking for, just a general interest in pics (of the Class, particularly Java) that I havent seen before.

And of course the 'skeg' (or forefoot) photo you posted upthread was Sumatra, as you had said that before, so not sure why I foolishly asked that a second time (which I have now edited out to at least try and hide my failing memory :wave_1: ). Gettin' old I guess, or trying to juggle too many things at once on the computer. Both probably!. :bash_2:

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Brett Morrow » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:10 am

The launch image is tagged as Java, what are you looking for Kevin ?
If DavidP`s drawing is dated 1926 and it is official ? it`s a fair assumption that the modification was performed on both ships fairly early.

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:02 am

Brett Morrow wrote:The Skeg appears to have been an afterthought.
Who'se that being launched Brett, Java or Sumatra?

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Brett Morrow » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:24 am

The Skeg appears to have been an afterthought.
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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:56 am

DavidP wrote:mine is a drawing dated 1926 possibly by Vlissingen Augustus
But which 'view' does yours show, that is like what Brett posted, or in the 'rendering' I posted?

If you look closely at Brett's photo, you can see what appears to be a line (join?) along where my red arrows now point, so I wonder if that 'triangular' piece / area forward of those arrows was added at some stage?

Further below is another 'drawing' I found on-line that shows that heavily slanted bottom part of the lower bow stem. Are these 'renderings / drawings' just wrong, or is that how the ships were originally built?
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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:17 pm

DavidP wrote:the picture appears to match my drawing in that area.
Yes I should have written 'renderings' (as in 2nd party renderings) as opposed to 'drawings', which might be taken to mean plans, which was not my intent. I'll change that wording now.

I meant like below for instance. Or were the two ships (Java & Sumatra) different at the bow?
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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:28 am

Brett Morrow wrote:Kevin, the image is cropped from a larger shot, it is Sumatra, not sure of the time frame.
Thanks Brett. Interesting how in actuality (i.e. in the photo) the bow stem seems to have a rounded 'curve' upwards as opposed to the more 'hard' up-angle that some renderings show.

Clarification edit: Replaced the word 'drawings' with 'renderings'.

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Dan Banks » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:50 am

Thanks, that nails it

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Brett Morrow » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:31 am

Kevin, the image is cropped from a larger shot, it is Sumatra, not sure of the time frame.

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by KevinD » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:28 am

Brett Morrow wrote:Here is the bow forefoot Dan.
Any date for that photo Brett?

And is that a crop from a larger photo?

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Brett Morrow » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:38 am

Here is the bow forefoot Dan.
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Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Dan Banks » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:06 pm

So all the plans that show a perforated pattern are wrong? Maybe an example of not knowing and assuming the scource you are basing your drawings on are correct?

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Dan Banks » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:53 pm

Recently dug out the Pacificcrossroads 1/350 Java, looking over the parts and instructions, ran into a question about the lower bow section. In this area, there is an extension to the Meier form bow that I can only guess was maybe an attachment for the paravene gear. Most plans I have seen shows this with what looks like a cutout pattern. The photo etch piece in the kit is solid. Anyone know which is correct?

Re: Calling all RNN DeRuyter and Java class fans

by Brett Morrow » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:13 pm

The aft RF was likely part of the Main Battery control, a range/fire table would be heart of the control probably located in the bridge structure. Java`s early config was 3 prismatic RF. Most if not all cruisers up, had more than one RF/Director. They allowed splitting of the MB, ie the midship turrets. I expect each RF would be able to assume control of the bearing MB in an emergency.

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