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Mick

Apart from arrestor wires I don't intend to have anything working on the deck - I will simply paint it and mark it up. On my HST I did wires, JBD's, crash barrier carrier, sliding shuttles and steam for the cat tracks also full lighting for fixed wing and helo op's - a lot of work and I'm not sure it was worth the effort.

I like the hanger access doors open, although on most pics of the Admiral they appear to be kept closed, so I will almost certainly put in a hanger deck along the same lines as my HST - two removable boxes

Question for you - do you have any idea what is on the small deck immediately astern of the aft lift, half way between the flight deck and waterline

Paul

You got me on that one, This is one of several areas I'm currently on the look out for. If you follow some of the forums I'm on, I keep asking for close ups of the ship. When I get that far I plan to make it a simple look like the Trumpeter kit until more information comes about. I had a contact in Russia but haven't been able for a while to get through. This person worked on the ship! I guess I will just maybe have to wait till someone in the Russian navy takes a fancy to my model build and give me the info I need for that part of the ship.
I had a similar problem with the HMAS Melbourne. Even on the day they were towing her our of Sydney they couldn't give me the info I needed so that when my dad and I changed to Russian ships. In this way nobody can argue with you unless they have been on a Russian warship and then they have to watch themselves. In the end make a close resembling model and all should be fine, and if someone says that's wrong ask then to show them their model, always shuts these people up!

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1/72 Admiral Kuznetsov
1/72 Frunze Russian Battle cruiser
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Mick
Tumut Australia

Is the area you are talking about the one with the small boats in this picture?
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 173020.jpg

Here's another, if you haven't seen it already:
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 173028.jpg

Without the boats in place:
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 173055.jpg
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 173073.jpg
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 173074.jpg

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De quoi s'agit-il?

Thanks Timmy but 'no' I think there MAY have been boats there at SOME time but most of the pic's and drawings show something else. I have a line drawing with many items (including items in this area) named - but it,s in Russian. As mick says this is a difficult one for somereason

Paul

Look I have a few images of close ups of the Admiral Kuznetsov. The main directory is http://picasaweb.google.com/Mick.Elst/AdmiralKuznetsov
Here are a few:




Hope this helps you, mind you I'm still looking for better images.

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1/72 Admiral Kuznetsov
1/72 Frunze Russian Battle cruiser
1/72 Steregushchy-class corvette

Mick
Tumut Australia

@ Mick--Those are excellent looking photos showing a host of detail!

@ Bannon-- that looks to a very worthy modl of an interesting subject-faaaaar to large for my usual
modelling sphere--but interesting problem solving

Re the Name problem...


Print the name form your PC onto WHITE decal sheet using your inkjet printer--

this will give your name the opacity you require.

White decal sheet is quite expensuve--but e-mail me- or PM me with your full land addresss and I will send you a sheet

I used many many sheets in this model-

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... eview.html

-I know it will work for you- but you must apply a light coat of gloss varnish to the area
where the name goes BEFORE application of decal--that will prevent silvering of the decal carrier film--then overcoat with matt or satin--to choice.

You will need a small bottle of decal film to seal the printed decal--prior to immersing into water--printer inks are not waterproof!


Cheers

JIm Baumann

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Jim - Thanks - 1) I can get white decal sheet but 2) I'm left with the same problem of matching the grey panel on which I print the yellow. I guess I'm just being pedantic.

One thing I have found as good as decal paper is Inkjet Tattoo Paper available at Cartridge World but there is no getting away from the lack of opacity of the colour - I may try again on this - perhaps I can try harder to match the grey!!

Mick - Thanks for pics - big help - can work something out I think - have Book Marked your site for future referance


Paul Bannon

Paul, keep an eye out as from time to time I will add more images from details to this ship.
I'm glad it helps you but can you imagine the images I need for a 1/72 model!!!
If you or anyone finds better shots pass them on to me please, even if from another ship that can help build a gun, radar or any part of the Kuznetsov.

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1/72 Admiral Kuznetsov
1/72 Frunze Russian Battle cruiser
1/72 Steregushchy-class corvette

Mick
Tumut Australia

Work has been a little slow this month -I'm trying to produce a part Air Wing for my HST.

After a fair amount of effort I now have a flight deck That fits reasonably well and has all it's 'art work' on. There appears to be a few lining formats used on the deck of the Kuznetsov so I have picked one marked '1996'. After getting the surface reasonably smooth I painted it dark grey and matt varnished it before masking and painting the lines. Silo lids, JBD's have been drawn on the computer and printed on to tattoo film, cut out and stuck down. Helo spots were done the same way, but the computer printed images were stuck on the back of white Contact and cut out. I put some bridging strips in to help keep them round as they were stuck down. When all was stuck down the whole thing was matt varnished again to seal it

I don't usually make the Island until the hull/flight deck are finished but on the HST this involved cutting the finished deck, so this time I built the basic Island and fitted it before painting the deck - a bit safer I think - the Island will be put to one side now and finished at the end.

In between times I'm mass producing hand rails and trying to make some deck edging - which incidently, will help cover the deck joints. The railings are made from 10x20 thou styrene - five rail for 4 rail so as there is a spare rail to stick to the deck instead of trying to stick the tiny uprights individually.

Paul Bannon

Another couple of pictures showing the railing jig and a test piece for deck edging - will need a jig to get some regularity

Good build mate. Look forward to more detailed images from your superstructure build.

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1/72 Admiral Kuznetsov
1/72 Frunze Russian Battle cruiser
1/72 Steregushchy-class corvette

Mick
Tumut Australia

Hi Bannon this build is coming along exceptionally well . I like your method for reproducing the hello spots. More up dates please .
Dave Wooley

HI PAUL yes your build is comin on v-nicely what with DW's carriier as well an the carriers on the site im on there are some great model carriers being built
all best chris

OK - her goes with a bit more info - not to good at the pic's, I tend to get carried away with building a particular part and don't think of taking pictures. Example of this was working on the 'upside' of the boat and forgetting about everything thats really on the 'underside' and is best done with the boat upside down. Consequently I have decided to finish all these bits first - boat decks, underside of sponsons etc.

Have built the boat decks in the same way as I did on HST and the way Dave has built the ones on the Kiev. First cut the holes to accept the finished decks First Pic actually shows one deck fitted and the other two holes ready to be filled - holes are to let the wiring for the lights through in to the hull - each deck has grain of rice lights which will be under RC.

The first cut out has also been made for the life raft shutes and some work on the re enforcing for the overhang

This pic is of the remaining decks ready to go in complete with lights. Built in the same way as I did on HST and as Dave has done on his Kiev - two sides and a floor, fit out, make a roof and fit and then fit the whole into the hull.

The decks as shown have no davits or boats - I decided to treat these seperately. Tried to research davits without much success but one pic I have shows the Port side of the hull with boats removed and this shows two davit uprights in a 'down' position. This said that they hinged somwhere - the only logical pivot was to the rear of the rounded launch ramp so I decided make the davits hinge down in to a launch position. The idea is to connect a wire to the back of the davit (through the small eye that can be seen) and have the boats inboard or outboard by pushing or pulling the wire. They MAY end up under RC if I can manage to link the rods and attach a servo.

Afraid the boats won't have the detail of Dave's but hopefully the appearance will be correct. Built the semi rigid on the HST complete with wheel, dash board and propeller - can't see any of it now it's fitted!!

If anyone has any source for 1:144 life rafts I would love to hear from them - my best estimate to date is a need for app 200 and much as I like to make as much as I can myself I really do not fancy make 200 life rafts from scratch!!!!!

Well done mate. Did you have original ship photos to work from or was this information in the plan? If you have original picture from real ship can I have a look?

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1/72 Admiral Kuznetsov
1/72 Frunze Russian Battle cruiser
1/72 Steregushchy-class corvette

Mick
Tumut Australia

Hi Bannon Progressing well . For the life raft containers I would say casting is the best bet. The davits heads on Kiev have the sheaves inside the head and it appeares , although I'm not certain but the cable from the sheave emerges from the back into a reeling gear. I can only guess that the davit winch motor in on the deck in the recess but it could also be mounted at the back and at the base of the davit The pictures I have don't make this clear. I have been following your build with great interest as I am sure Mick is doing the same. At least the both of you will have no basic problems sourcing with the air group.
Dave Wooley

Dave

The boats will not actually lower down - thats going TOO far but I agree about the motor etc. If I can remember my seamanship the bow and stern cables have to lower together or the boat jams on the way down, also there has to be a system of release that ensures the bow and stern of the boat drop free at the same time. Again, if my memory serves we had to hit a ring with a hammer that freed the hook which held the bow and stern cables allowing a level drop - in theory!! Thankfully I never had to try it for real.

Don't mention Airwings - it's going to get an odd half dozen and that is IT. When the undersides are done on the Kuznetsov she is going on the shelf while I finish a half air wing for my HST - it's not just the aircraft, there are over 2000 Pad eyes to put down, 10 tow tractors, tow arms and chocks, not to mention chains to tie the aircraft down - perhaps it's 11 years service in the Fleet Air Arm that has caused a lack of interest in aircraft!!!

Paul Bannon

Mick

Sorry, I somehow missed your question about Davits.If memeory serves me right I worked i out from one of your pic's - one of the port side in the area of the boat decks - no boats are in place and if you look carfully one set of davits is in the upright position and one in the down. From this I worked out where I was sure the 'hinge' was.

As I said KZ has gone on hold for a while but I do have a problem with the RC if anyone can help. I have what I can only describe as a 'mis - fire' on the moters. It's accross all or any moters at the same time - as if they had been switched off and straight back on again so I can only assume its something on the line Rx backwards towards Tx. Have fitted new crystals in both Rx and Tx and been through the conections numerous times. A couple of times I appear to loose all control but on getting close and checking the rudder servo is still working - I just loose the moter control.

Any ideas greatfully tried.

Paul banno