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Did the section with the forward roll-ups on the starboard side roll towards the aft? The instructions on the Dragon Randolph kit are hard to tell if this section goes between a stand-off wall and the outer hull or is flush with the outer hull.

Scott

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We Happy Few

I don't understand... could you give me part numbers?

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

That's good, because the ones I totally opened up, I just cut those things out of there completely!

-Devin

One of the regulars over on SteelNavy (I can't remember if it was MIke Donegan or James Corely) posted a couple pictures he'd taken of one of those on I think Yorktown.. You could see that they were foldable but I don't remember in which direction. Reading through some information on the ships recently I came across a note that SOME of the roller doors were electrically driven, some operated by chains, but that the electrical ones could also be operated by chain. It didn't list with ones were what, only gave a number (which I can't remember at the moment) but my guess is that the ones by the hangar cat and deck edge elevator were electric since they were more apt to be opened all the way all at once. I'm wondering if that also meant the rail posts were also raised electrically, but once again I have no proof either way. I went looking through all my hangar photos last night and none of them showed the overheads in the area of the deck edge elevator clear enough to see them for sure. It DID show, however, that if they did fold inward against the overheads that it was a really flush mount when all was said an done. That's why I tend to believe they folded fore and aft.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

It is section D36 and C14 on the plans. I cannot tell if D36, which is the section that has the roll up doors, was meant to slide in between the inner wall that is C14 and the hull.

The picture in the instructions doesn't show the detail very well. I thought that the section D36 was flush with the hull side, but according to the instructions, it doesn't look that way.


Scott

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We Happy Few

It's not. I don't have the Randolph kit but the instructions for their CV-16 kit (that I have) should be pretty similar. Check out steps 5 and 8 and you should be able to see that D36 is not flush with the outer hull. It was inset..

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Duh I just noticed the alignment of D36 last night and how C14 has a tab that makes it recessed a bit. I had C14 backwards because I thought the roll-up doors should face outward and not inward.
Scott

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We Happy Few

A little pic of how the Yorktown looks right now, no real progress:
USS Yorktown CV-10

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-Abram
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Farther along than mine are!
I spent some of my break time Yesterday and the day prior assembling quad 40s... I'd like to do a side-to-side comparison of the stock parts, with PE, and L'Arsenal mounts.

Picked up the 700th scale CV-10 today... hooo boy

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

I've done a stock and GMM fitted side by side comparison, but don't have any L'arsenal ones. The stock mounts really look nice with just the addition of the GMM PE.

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-Abram
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What time period does DML's CV-16 represent?

Thanks,

Andy

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Andy

April 1945 to the end of the war... her last war cruise. I'll have to double check; I know it's also got SOME of the parts to do earlier versions but I'm not sure if it has all of them.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

That's good. However, I would also like to do her as right after shakedown or first war cruise to show the differences between the two periods. Would this be hard?

Andy

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Andy

Depends on your definition of hard. Unfortunately I can't speak definatively of the topic as my CV-9 instructions have disappeared. *HOWEVER*, it does appear that the CV-16 kit has ALL of the parts Dragon has done for the short hulls. So there might be some detail differences, but you've got all the parts they provided in the first place. The one exception is the flight deck, which has the two catapults, certainly not be correct for her first war patrol. She didn't get the port cat until May of 1944 but I'm not entirely sure when the original starboard cat was added yet (Friedman's book suggests the stbd cat was present at completion). Your choice for this would be either to fill in and rescribe the regular deck, or use the clear plastic deck and scribe a faint outline of the starboard cat.

Otherwise it should mainly be the correct choice in island platforms, leaving off the extra quad 40s, using the older single 20mm mounts, and don't use any of the hangar deck cat parts as Lex never had the hangar cat.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Hi all just a quick question if you don't mind. I'm painting the USS Franklin in the Measure 21 scheme and I wanted to know what colour to paint the 5in. Deck gun turrets? I'm assuming that the vertical surfaces are painted Navy Blue (5N) but what about the horizontal top surfaces? Thanks.

Phil

If you look at photo NS021327 on this Navsource page you can see that the tops of the turrets look the same as the sides... should be the same color. This photo should be of help too.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

The latest (April 2006) Fine Scale Modeler has an add from Steven's International with several of Trumpeter's upcoming releases. One of those shown is the 350th Hancock. If you look you can see that there is a "19" on the bow, and it is a long hull.

If this is representative of what the kit is going to be, then Trumpeter did *NOT* change anything from the Tico kit other than decals. The short deck will be correct for Hancock throughout the war, but the lack of notches on the port side will not be.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Hey Guys, thought I'd let you know of the most recent projects for my website. I've got the war report for Ticonderoga's kamikaze hit in January 1945 started and about 1/3 finished. Tons of photos. After that's done I have a two reports from Hornet (CV-12 of course) concerning weather-related damage to the bow. THe later of the two contains what's best described as a walk-around and walk under of the the colapsed flight deck she suffered in the Typhoon... something like 16-17 photos. I've got the text OCR'd but it needs lots of cleanup and I haven't got the pictures started yet. They contain some interesting little details that might be of interest to the Essex class modeler.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Now, THAT, is real gold !!!
Is it possible for me (us) to see those photos ???

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Once he gets them uploaded, you will be able to see them at his Research @ Large website (the link in his signature).

Really looking forward to those flight deck photos myself, the Trumpy kits leave that area pretty sparse.

-Devin