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Don't believe the advertised scales like 1/547. Nobody ever got these "box scale" kits right. If it's any of the Yorktown class then it is the same mold. Just be sure it is not the USS Midway kit, of the Midway class, and that might be the 1/547 one. Revell always called the Yorktown multi-kit the "Battle of Midway" carrier.

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Mike

Hey guys, just looking for some clarification.

During 1944, it looks like the Enterprise had a total of 7 quad 40mms. CV6.org says at this time she had 8 twin / 6 quad 40mms, but I think its 7 / 7. I know theres 2 on the port side, on the gun tub on the main deck, and I count 5 on the flight deck. This photo from navsource shows the 5

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020683.jpg

So its 7 quads then, correct? Then I think theres 2 twins at the stern, and 5 at the bow (one below the flight deck and the very bow, then 2 port, 2 starboard on the side of the flight decks). Are there any more im missing?

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"Also we will never see a 1/350 late war Enterprise from Dragon due to a paralyzing fear of success...." - Heavy Melder

Lots of unfinished model ships + attention issues = A busy slipway where nothing gets done!

I believe that you're mistaking the mount immediately abaft the island for a quad. It's a twin, as mounting a quad there would have necessitated the removal of the crane, which wasn't a desirable thing to do.

Okay, so its like this then?

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"Also we will never see a 1/350 late war Enterprise from Dragon due to a paralyzing fear of success...." - Heavy Melder

Lots of unfinished model ships + attention issues = A busy slipway where nothing gets done!

Correct. A twin is on the aft clipping room structure. A quad would not clear the arc of the big crane at that location so they had to use a twin.

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Mike

Sweet, thanks guys!

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"Also we will never see a 1/350 late war Enterprise from Dragon due to a paralyzing fear of success...." - Heavy Melder

Lots of unfinished model ships + attention issues = A busy slipway where nothing gets done!

Hi all, I'm new here. I'm actually looking at creating a 1:1 model of the Enterprise in a video game, Minecraft. I am looking for a deck plan and dimensions so I can accurately scale the hull. I saw the plans earlier in this post. Is there an online version of those that I can look at for reference? The game is set up in 1 meter blocks so I will have to take some liberties with the small details.. I'm also limited on materials so I would like to build her before the deck was stained, because I have a natural wood texture in game that I would like to use. The gray color will have to be accomplished with stone, and I want the deck to have a wood texture so it looks more accurate and varied from the color of the rest of the ship...

So before I rant on anymore, if you could give me some direction based on this information I would be very grateful. This has been a very informative post so far! Thanks!

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Enterprise CV-6 in Minecraft Project
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=98801

Try this: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/cv5.pdf
Sister ships; you basically just need to add the extra pri-fly on the island catwalk.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Thanks to both of you (including the poster whos post was deleted for duplicate content), this is just what I needed.

Now being the novice that I am at reading these things, I'm trying to figure out what the scale for the numbers are at the bottom of the chart on each page... There are two labels F.P. and A.P. which I think mean Fore Perpendicular and Aft Perpendicular, and there's a reference on the summary page to MP which must mean Midship Perpendicular or something... But it's hard for me to convert the numbers to meters if I don't know what they are measured in. Does anyone have any insight on a decent reference for reading the charts? Most of it is straightforward but some of it I'm drawing a blank on.

Thanks for all of the help!

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Enterprise CV-6 in Minecraft Project
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=98801

I think you are correct about A.P and F.P. The numbers that you see at the bottom between FP and AP are the frame numbers which on navy ships of the time were four feet apart. When you see the number '2', that means that that frame is 8 ft from the FP. Hope this is of some help.

Thanks Jon, you helped me verify that my measurements were accurate. 1/16" per foot is the scale, but it's hard to confirm accuracy of that scale due to screen resolutions. So I was sitting in front of my computer monitor measuring with a ruler on screen in mm and I used the foot measurement from the flight deck to get a conversion ratio for mm on screen -> feet in 1:1 scale. Then I just threw the formula in excel to convert mm on screen to 1:1 scale meters. After the dust settled on all that math I came up with 4ft between frames, so something must have been right. I've got it set up in game where I have a single row bridge laid down with signs marking every 10 meters and which frame that would coincide with on the plans. I also have the keel laid down (with a little need for editing, but the shape is pretty good so far) and the outline of the inner bottom done. I'd like to post screenshots of my progress. Should I do that here or is there somewhere else I should create a thread for that to keep the posts here minimal?

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Enterprise CV-6 in Minecraft Project
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=98801

Probably the best place is in the virtual ship modeling forum:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewforum.php?f=27

Bob

Well I'd like to see some progress posts here! Personally.

Michael

We do prefer to keep progress pictures out of the CASF section - I would agree with posting it in the Virtual Ship Modelling section.

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De quoi s'agit-il?

No problem. I have started a topic for progress pictures, though there is nothing there yet. I will try to keep it updated as I make progress.

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=98801

I do have a question about the charts again. I have finished the outline for the inner bottom and I am starting to plan the hold. On the charts I see a jagged outline for the underwater portions and different waterlines are marked. When I look at the hull profile everything looks smooth. Do the measurements I've marked (with red circles) in the attached picture mean that's the profile at that height from the bottom of the keel? If so, I'm not sure how these could be considered to be on the same deck. Once it gets above the waterline everything smooths up and I can see pretty easily how to shape it, but below the waterline it's... funky. I think it's that way to make room for the shafts and propellers but I'm having a hard time figuring out how that should look.

For example, around frame number 180 it's showing a waterline of 20' 3", does that mean I should go up 20' 3" from the baseline and build that little point?

I hope this question is making sense... if I need to clarify please let me know.

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Enterprise CV-6 in Minecraft Project
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=98801

Compare that deck (first platform) to the inboard profile and you can see why it's shaped differently in different areas and why those different heights are there.

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Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Ahh, makes sense now. I made the assumption that decks were all going to be on one level, but the hold seems to step up the keel as it curves toward aft. Once I got in game and saw what frame number it was supposed to be on it made sense because to stay on the same level it would have been well below the keel.

I also posted my first progress video in my other topic (in my signature), so if you guys can take a minute to take a look at it and let me know if it's worth my time to make those I would appreciate it.

Thanks again for all the help you've offered, it's been invaluable in getting this started.

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Enterprise CV-6 in Minecraft Project
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=98801

Questions about the 40mm mounts aft of the Island at Santa Cruz. This Photo (Noumea Nov. '42) clearly shows the 4 Quad mounts, but what was in the old 1.1 mount on the island? It appears to be hidden under the crane.



It looks as though the shielding was not changed from the photo with the 1.1's. The later photo is captioned as Oct "43 (Puget Sound) and seems to show a twin 40 mounted in the island 1.1 mount. So was this the way Enterprise arrived? When was the twin mounted?





Paul

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http://paulbudzik.com/current-projects/Neptune/Lockheed_Neptune_Model_Budzik.html
http://paulbudzik.com/tools-techniques/outside_the_box.html

The tub of the original #3 1.1 mounting was removed, and the top of the clipping room (the base for the mount) was bare at the time of Santa Cruz. This is more clearly shown here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020678a.jpg Since the twin 40MM that eventually replaced the quad 1.1 was roughly the same size, naturally the new tub was similar to the old one. When Hornet was built, it was anticipated that the quad 40MM would be the eventual medium AA mounting, and the 1.1's were positioned accordingly. Her after clipping room was also bare on top.

Paul, as Dick J said, the #3 1.1" mount was removed after Eastern Solomons, and the clipping room was left bare until 10/43. When she got her original four 40MM quads, the shields around the mounts were changed from the 1.1" versions. The forward ones are completely round, her 1.1" shields were not. They were also spaced out further forward ahead of the island. The diameter of single remaining aft one (the former #4 1.1" mount) was expanded slightly, and the #4 mount in the catwalk was all new. Her 40MM arrangement now mimicked Hornet's 1.1" arrangement, and as Dick J said, Hornet was planned that way for eventual 40MM installation. The twin 40MM mount later placed on top of the aft clipping room was installed in her 10/43 refit. The desire was to put a quad there, but it would not clear the big crane's operating arc, and it was too much of a problem to move the crane, so a twin was put there.

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Mike