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Jack, That's a great looking model of the USS Enterprise. Like Devin, I think your hull detail is great. Your attention to small details has paid off.

I'm looking froward to the seeing finished product.

I just finished my "Santa Cruz" Enterprise this week. It will make it's finished debut next Saturday at the IPMS Seattle club meeting.

Thanks for posting your pictures.

Gordon

Very nice. One small quibble, or probably you're already going to add these: There should be eight 20MM along the starboard side of the island.
Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Rich Mathsen

One more Enterprise done

Now on to Hornet

Gordon

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Gordon,I rushed in for these two carriers after I checked my message box.You did a really great job!

It`s a pitty that we can`t watch the hanger deck detail.You build the fore catwalks yourself right? You may use the WEM PEs but where is the CXAM come from? My favorite WEM made a mistake. The water and fingures are also excellent. Can`t help to copy your works .I hope to see your Yorktown soon.

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Impressive work Gordon...very crisp!

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Hey Gordon, sorry I had to rush off before I could answer your question. As to how I like my camera, check these out:








These were downsized by 50% and then cropped a bit.

PS, thanks for letting me shoot the flat tops today!

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New info on Enterprise's Santa Cruz configuration:
As many Yorktown class fans are aware, CV6 and CV8 received a fifth 1.1' quad in the bow oval tub, originally designed for two 20MM's. The oval tub was first enlarged by adding a rounded center section to make a three leaf clover shaped tub. This was done at Pearl Harbor in July 1942. Hornet's original four 1.1" quads were, unique in her class, director controlled. CV5 and 6 were trained and fired from the guns themselves. No indication was ever found, however, to show CV8 and CV6 had directors for the added fifth bow quad. Indeed, Hornet's photos, film footage of her towing attempts and also Tom Lea art works in wartime Life magazine, shows no director tub anywhere around the bow quad at Santa Cruz. CV6 however, did get a director for her bow 1.1" quad. It appears to have been added after the Battle of the Eastern Solomons, during her repairs. At that time, CV6 lost her four 1.1" quads around the island, and 40mm's replaced them, using the same layout as CV8 used for her 1.1" quads. The 40mm's had director control. Indeed, her original #2 40mm director was on a column in front of the island, reminiscent of CV8's #2 1.1" quad director tub. The other 40mm tubs also used directors arranged something akin to Hornet's layout. At this time, it now appears that a round director tub was added just in front of the three leaf clover shaped 1.1" tub at the bow, her sole remaining 1.1" quad. The director tub actually extended out beyond the edge of her forepeak on twin metal struts, and sat lower than the three leaf clover gun tub. It was damaged by bomb fragments along with the general area of the hull just beneath it, during Santa Cruz. Photos appear in her battle damage report from Santa Cruz. These were taken at New Caledonia right after the battle. A check of a photo taken on 13 April 1943 reveals it was still in place, and no doubt, stayed until her October refit.

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Hi All,

In Gordon's file, the Midway status is:
5-28-42 Enterprise and Hornet leave Pearl Harbor for Midway
(8) 5"/38 cal (4) 1.1" (32) 20mm (6) .50cal
6- 4-42 Battle of Midway

Who can tell me the 6 .50caliber's persition. I guess 4 of them were settled at the 4 corners of the flight deck. And what about the other 2 ?

Rich,
Thanks for your reminding.add some latest progress.Lionroar's new 20mm is pretty good.I'm proud of their impressed work.

Jack

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Four of the .50-caliber MG's were located atop the island; two flanking the aft Mk 33 director, the other two being abeam near the aft legs of the foremast. I don't believe she still had six at Santa Cruz, as she added a number of 20MM between Eastern Solomons and then.

As to her 40MM. there is only one abaft the island, at flight deck level. The fourth 40MM was mounted at gallery deck level futher aft. (They couldn't fit a quad forty where the #3 1.1" was mounted without removing or relocating the crane; when she had her big overhaul at Bremerton in 1943, a twin 40MM was mounted in that location.)

Hope that helps. BTW, thanks, Michael, for that info on the director.

Regards,
Rich

Rich,

Thank you very much. But I guess I made a mistake.
Now the problem comes to: What are the AA guns in the red circle.

Lucky, I didn't add anything on these position...........
Jack

The guns at the forward end of the flight deck are 20MM. The ones aft are, as near as I've been able to determine, .50-cal. MG's. I say this based on a photo (in Steve Ewing's book) showing her starboard quarter right after Eastern Solomons; those guns sure look like .50's to me.

By the way, the goup of photos of which these two are part is often erroneously captioned as May, 1942, just before Midway. Not so! In one of those shots, you can see the USS CALIFORNIA being salvaged at Berth F-3 just aft of ENTERPRISE. CALIFORNIA was moved from that spot to the drydock on April 9, 1942. The Big E had sailed the previous day to rendevous with HORNET for the Doolittle Tokyo raid. So these photos were taken no later than April 8, 1942. Every once in a while, you might see (on History Channel and the like) movie film taken around the same time, showing BB-44 being pumped out, with CV-6 forward of her. If you look really carefully, you can also see LEXINGTON CV-2 in the drydock across the channel.

By the way, Jack, I can't wait to see the final result of your work. You might want to post a link over at http://www.cv6.org, the ENTERPRISE web site.

Rich,

Thank you very very very much.

I wish to finish it before June. Still waiting for the VS-6 (VF/VB/VT are ready).

Can you mail me jackyoung@sohu.com, and I can send you my finished work.

Jack

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Hello Everyone,

New questions come to me.
1. I noticed some of the SBDs and TBDs have a white line on the tail and some have two. What's the difference. I think VS-6 replaced the white line with a black S, right?

2. Who can provid me a VT-6 number and member list of Midway?

Thanks again!

Jack

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Jack: At Midway, VB-6 had a single LSO stripe; VS-6 had a double one. (Or was it the other wy around? I'm at work, doing this from memory; check the photos at the site listed below.) You might try looking at the Action Reports posted at http://www.cv6.org for the crews and IAN's (Individual Aircraft Numbers) for VT-6. Besides the ship's report for the battle, there is also a VT-6 report, prepared by LT Robert Laub, the highest ranking survivor.

Seeking flight deck advice:

I would like to convert Trumpy's 1/350 Hornet to Enterprise. I haven't yet decided which time period. I'll give the model a new scratch-built hull with accurate shape but I am unsure of any flight deck corrections. A couple questions:

1. Can anyone confirm that the Trumpy flight deck works for Enterprise? Specifically, I think there were differences between the sisters at the bow.

2. Were the catapults ever changed? Some pictures show the catapults to be parallel to the centerline but in other pictures of the ship, mostly late war, they appear to be cant towards the centerline and the port catapult appears longer.

Thanks!

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Hornet's deck was different than Yorktown and Enterprise. If you look at the BWN/YMWs Yorktown class models you will see the correct flight deck for the Enterprise

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Steve,


I hope it's helpful. The left one is the Big E(catapults didn't added) and the right one is Hornet. But the size, I'm not sure. Hope someone can answer it for you.

About the catapults, I think you'd better make a decesion first. So someone can tell you the status.

Hope your project goes well!

Jack

Thanks gentlemen! Both posts are very helpful.

I had been leaning towards a late-war Enterprise with the extensive AA fit but
don't want to have to extensively modify the flight deck.

Is there a wartime period when Enterprise's catapults were parallel?

Trumpy's Hornet kit has catapults and they are parallel with the centerline.
You can see here that Big E's catapults aren't parallel. I fear that modifying
the kit's flight deck to achieve the proper catapult layout would spoil the
detail of the kit's deck.

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