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I may be thinking of a different book. I'll look at the Yorktown offerings on Amazon and see if anything there rings a bell.

Whichever book it was, I highly recommend it.

Cheers!

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In regards to paint removal -

I looked through the Cressman book and don't see anything. I remember seeing that or at least something similar. I like to think I have a copy of every book that is specifically on the Yorktown, but not sure. My next thought was that I read about it in a strictly narrative work, so I looked at my old book "Rendezvous at Midway" by Frank. I leafed through the pages from Dec 7 to Pearl Harbor when she departed for Midway. No luck.

I also remember reading somewhere it was common at the outbreak of war to get rid of all the layers of peacetime paint if possible, as well as wood furniture. I would guess that would not be universal, just common.

Unfortunately all my books are scattered in stacks pending me getting my butt moving on my built in shelves for my library. I will try to look some more though.

Dear all ....
l’m almost ready to place some watertight doors....are there specific differences or any type will do??
I will be more specific some models are for inside and some are for the outside can u help me?
Thanks in advance

Trying to find a good clear photo of the supports under the catapult of Yorktown as I feel Merit got them wrong on their 1/350 kit. I believe they are large pipes/ tubes and not what they are depicted to be on the kit. The best I have been able to see is in David Doyle's 'Legends of Warfare' book and unfortunately, I am unable to clear pic of what is there. Anyone have better info? Thanks, Jon

Thank you for your reply. If it is ok, I would like to post a scanned image I took from David Doyle's Legends of Warfare in regard to the area I am talking about. If not ok, I will remove it.

https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collec ... 50336.html

Before catapult platform installation:

CV-5



Hornet CV-8:

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I can't find a photo of that specific area in any of my books or the photos I've saved from the web over the past 20+ years.

However, in the photo of her in dry dock at Pearl, you can see a catapult support platform on the starboard side, which looks very close to that Hornet photo. I assume they'd have the same structure under them both port and starboard.

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Thanks again for the replies. What I am trying to figure out is if the whole catapult structure in 1942 was being supported with let say for the sake of argument with seven to eight 12-inch diameter pipe supports or where there metal gussets that were between the so-called pipes and the bottom of the catapult platform like what you see with the kit. Wish I was better at computers as I would try to come up with a drawing to better illustrate.

I don't think the resolution is there to be of any help and I know most of the shots aren't of the "right" side but I'll try and take a look tonight at my NARA high-resolution scans of her loss to see if there's anything of help.
My take was that the smaller protrusion was simply "built around" with a larger platfor with beam supports underneath.

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I am of the same opinion in regard to resolution and the platform. What got me wondering was how they were going about running the degaussing cables underneath the catapult.

OK, I have a scan of 80-G-21694 from a trip to NARA a number of years ago that I have played with. NHHC has a copy here if you want to see the full photo:



Unfortunately playing with the levels in Photoshop to lighten things up reveals no detail in the shadows. I suspect this is a copy of a copy (maybe of a copy...) which will make the darks darker and the lights lighter and tends to obliterate details in the high and low ranges. It's possible that the negative would have better detail, but since they're still closed enough that we don't have a trip on the horizon I can't say that I'll be able to provide anything in a timely fashion.

I have some drawings of CV-5 and -6 from the microfilm there but this platform was not one of the details I came across (26 rolls, I had time for 5-6 of them).

I have some other potential photos I'll look for tonight.

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Tracy,

Don't count on the 80-G negative for 80-G-21694 being any better. I tried scanning several WWII era and earlier negatives in hopes of getting "better" images, and found that these 80-G negatives are simply the camera photo "copy negatives" of the same 80-G print on the caption cards. Actually I could see parts of the mounting card in the negatives image. I have a strong suspicion that most if not ALL of the WWII 80-G negatives are the same copy negatives.

Now then, the post-WWII era negatives may well be original negatives since they were turned in to NPC.

Does this image answer your question? I made two cropped views of this famous photo of USS YORKTOWN in drydock. The second crop view is of the area of interest. To me, I think I can see the degaussing cables "are fed through" the supports and the supports look like they are beams to me. But there appears to be a "raft/float" or something there as well. That would make more sense than "pipes", from experience in looking at how the USN made most supports. Plus beams, either "I-beams" or "U or channel" beams, are easier to get and work with. Likely three or five beams would be used.

I want to say this passage is in "The Big E" by Stafford.

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If I choose the CV8 route, I will be doing much the same kind of project as you are working to achieve, but of a "Doolittle" Hornet en route just before April 18, 1942. Like you, I'll want date-specific information on the a/c populating her flight deck, as well as their placement.

I had a "derp" moment earlier and realized that I hadn't really paid attention to this photo earlier. Since David's a friend of mine, why not just ask him if he'd be willing to give me a copy of the photo in question to crop in and post:

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Second that!

David Doyle is a good guy and his publications are terrific. Please support him. And Steve Wiper, too.

And I'm pretty fond of what that guy over at Researcher@large does for us.

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Silly question time; are there any drawings out there that clearly show where all the associated island rigging goes? I'm looking specifically for USS Hornet data, but any info from the class would also be good. Thanks a bunch,

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I currently have the 1/200 Yorktown and want to model her in Coral Sea/Midway configuration. My query is PE sets available for this model. I vaguely remember one being available, but all I'm seeing now is only for the Enterprise and Hornet. Does anyone know if MK1 Designs(KA Models) is planning on releasing a set for it, and alternatively will the Enterprise set or Hornet(although a later appearance) work fit-wise, etc?

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