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Recent work has concentrated on the turrets as do the following pics. With the exception of the part around number 3 turret, none of the Scaledecks decks have been glued down yet although I have had to cut the foredeck to get it to fit properly, the cuts will be disguised later.

Turret 3:





Turrets 1 & 2 - I haven't decided yet whether to leave turret 2 without the anti skid just for a bit variation - I believe that the Missouri, for example, does not have anti skid on the roof of turret 1...







John

I'm not 100% positive on this, but I think that's only the case since she was decommissioned. All the overhead pics I've seen of her in service from '86 to '92 show nonskid on the tops of all 3 turrets. The after-third of the main deck was also entirely covered in non-skid when she was active, and this was removed (except for the helopad) when she was mothballed, so it might've been the same story with Turret 1, for whatever reason.

This is a pretty amazing project, BTW. Really cool vision, and the quality of the work is unbelievable!

I say add the non-skid and bring back the big honkin' American Flag atop the turret were her hull number beneath it!

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Drawing Board:
1/700 Whiff USS Leyte and escorts 1984
1/700 Whiff USN Modernized CAs 1984
1/700 Whiff ASW Showdown - FFs vs SSGN 1984

Slipway:
1/700 Whiff USN ASW Hunter Killer Group Dio 1984

That was just the Iowa. At one point in Vietnam, tho, the New Jersey did have her hull number on the top of Turret 2, and a white star on the top of Turret 3. That might look cool...

I know only Iowa had in the 1980s but plenty of the big guns ships had it during Korea and in my opinion, they should of kept them! If this is to be a new design for them then bring 'em back I say!!!

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Drawing Board:
1/700 Whiff USS Leyte and escorts 1984
1/700 Whiff USN Modernized CAs 1984
1/700 Whiff ASW Showdown - FFs vs SSGN 1984

Slipway:
1/700 Whiff USN ASW Hunter Killer Group Dio 1984

Thanks for the comments, the NJ definately had no non skid on all 3 turrets at some point as shown in this pic: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/0162013.jpg although this was clearly added at some later point in time...

John

As always, great job John! And I agree with Cliffy, throw on the flag and hull # on a turret and add the non slip, adds more character, and afterall it's a whiff!

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Cheers Ryan, truth be told, I've left turret 2 as it is as there's a load of stuff on the roof that needs to be painted round and it's a pain in the butt

I'm currently looking for a flag which will go on regardless if I add the anti skid.

Hopefully the Sea Sparrow launchers should be in place soon...

John

I would add the anti skid to turret 2. I googled it at pearl add it's there. The sat pic's helped me a lot on both NJ and Mo. Also the tops of the turrets are navy blue not gunship/deck blue.

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On the Bench
1/350 Independence
1/350 Dunkerque
1/350 Shimakaze
1/350 Sharnhorst Dragon
1/350 Belfast

Really??? I've not seen a single picture that suggests that the turret tops are navy blue...

This is a link to one of many pics I've used for reference http://navysite.de/bb/bb62tour69.htm

John

Horizontal surfaces are painted two different colors. One is best described as "deck grey", and that is simply a paint that is a dark grey, nothing special. Like all paints, it gets slippery when it gets wet. The second is a material/color called "non-skid". Non-skid is, in real life, a thick, epoxy material and is a noticeably darker grey than the deck grey, and it is applied with a paint roller specifically to give it a raised stucco-like texture wtih peaks and valleys. It is extremely unforgiving, and when it's newly applied it's like a bunch of razor blades that will cut you badly if you fall. Cosmetically for a model and on the real ships, non-skid is applied where you know people will walk.

It was up to the shipyards and the ship's chains of command where the non-skid went. As a result, where it was applied evolved as the ships were in service. Paint practice in the Navy is that gun mounts are to be painted haze grey and not painted at all if directed by the manufacturer/shipyard. This is most likely why New Jersey had only haze grey turrets for a few years. Turrets later became recognized as structures of the ship since they were big enough to hold formations or ceremonies on (deck grey paint/non-skid being applied to them) as opposed to a mount like a Mk45 that is small.

Some examples of non-skid being applied in place of the deck grey are locations were by choice were the tops of the turrets while some were by necessity like the helo landing pad and decks without teak. So, to be "proper" about it, deck grey should be laid down first and then non-skid where people will walk. As a result deck grey will be where non-skid is not.

So as long as you chose based on where you think where it would be best, you would be as consistent as the real ships if you were to chose your own locations.

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Sorry about that. I ment the turret were deck blue. Not gunship grey ( non skid) or navy blue.

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On the Bench
1/350 Independence
1/350 Dunkerque
1/350 Shimakaze
1/350 Sharnhorst Dragon
1/350 Belfast

A little more progress. Decks have now been glued down, turret 2 has (by popular demand ) started getting it's anti skid, railings are appearing as are the warning lines on the deck:







I really need to get the hull finished and glued to it's base as handling it is become difficult...

John

I think you made the right call John, looks really good with the turret painted that way, it makes the other details stand out mroe, and comparing it to the before pic, without the anti-skid, it kind of looked like it was accidentally forgotten. Keep it up!

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Cheers Ryan, need to find a stars and stripes decal for turret 1 now

John

Though I have already used my leftovers, you may want to see if anyone that has built the 1/48 sea knight has any spare stars and stripes. If they did not build the VIP version of that helo, then they should have the flags leftover. They would probabl be a y good size

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Enlisted men are stupid, but very cunning and deceitful and bear considerable watching." - Marine Corps Officers Manual, 1894

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mmmh, I missed to look at this before. Ecxelent modelmaking all around. A lot of nice details compared with a good paint job - looks really fine

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Cheers,
Christian
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VMF'06 - German Gamblers
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John,
I've read this link a few times, and you've been working on this project from February 2007. Are not you afraid that you lose interest after so many years of building? Anyway, it looks very nice and the detail is beautiful… and it's nice that you do 'requests'

Cheers
Jeroen

Thanks Christian, much appreciated.



I've lost interest a few times but always come back to it, usually after completing a couple of armour subjects. It will definately be finished this year though as I've vowed to do at least some modelling every day that I'm at home, After that I'll probably move on the Tamiya 1/350th Enterprise which will probably end up taking even longer

John

Modelling time has been at somewhat of a premium this month but I've managed to get one very important job done this morning with the addition of the Stars & Stripes to the roof of turret 1:





John