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Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:	1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden wall warship
New Year,,, New Project.... I have been ruminating on the construction of this model for quite a while now ... Why Bretagne 1855 .? ...well we have a large framed print above the Fireplace on our house...-- so it haunts me.... daily ! Attachment: 1275531_614093595301334_1246428383_o.jpg [ 357.94 KiB \| Viewed 5016 times ] FIRST A BIT OF HISTORY ============================================================================== Bretagne was a giant is sailing ship terms, displacing nearly 7600 tonnes, 270 feet ON DECK-- plus the huge bowsprit fwd and spanker boom aft. She carried 1170 crew. Her eight boilers produced 4800 shp to turn the single screw, allowing the vessel to reach well over 12 knots - in 1855 !! -- under steam along she had a range of over 1000 miles Her vast and tall sailing Rig lent her virtually limitless range , under sail she was recorded at 13 knots. Her 130 guns were a formidable armament in her day She was in action in the Crimean war as part of the French Navy contingent alongside the allied forces of the British and Ottoman Navies against Russia . Naval construction design progress overtook her and she was rendered obsolete in 1866 and was decommissioned to be as a Barrack ship. She was scrapped in 1880. ============================================================================== So again... why Bretagne.... to see if I can. hhmmmnnn! we shall see! The Hull worries me more than the rig... I have rigged a 1/700 sailing rig -including foot ropes -before, that is a lot less daunting than creating a 140 open gunports !! 1/700 sailing ship rig

Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
.... Sooo.... where to start...? Fortunately there are some EXCELLENT plan resources on the internet-- giving reproductions of the original drawings, sail plan and deck layouts etc I have the drawings at near full size... 15000 pix across and now also and scaled to 1/700! == giving an ON-DECK length of 12 cm = 120 mm or 4.74 inches Attachment: large and clear.jpg [ 644.88 KiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] There are also some reasonable period images some in very good resolution--construction and in commission The in-build images illustrate very some of the challenges of the two part gunports with semicircular apertures for the barrels... Attachment: 2Fi06382_Port_militaire_de_Brest.jpg [ 1.22 MiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] .........I think I will resort to Photo-etching these to ensure repeatability, and 3-D printing for the prominently flared gun muzzles. a period daguerreotype photo from the internet Attachment: large and clear.jpg [ 644.88 KiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] and many paintings, in various degrees of accuracy to the real ship Attachment: 54001.jpg [ 337.57 KiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] Attachment: 886641_544377152272979_693833536_o.jpg [ 390.88 KiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] But most importantly.... My hero and Pathfinder ,...German brilliant large scale modelmaker Karl who in the construction of his wood scratch built gargantuan model in 1: 75 ( hull on-deck over 1650 mm or 5 ft long ! encountered and solved innumerable problems and issues in his inimitable, very thorough, accurate, 'engineery and pragmatic way, thus with his foot-steps creating a pathway for me to follow. Sadly he passed away before completing his masterpiece... and as such in honour of his memory I shall do me utmost to finish my model to the best of my ability RIP Karl ======================================================================== Attachment: A1 Karls meisterwerk.jpg [ 338.95 KiB \| Viewed 5010 times ] ======================================================================== So my plan of construction is outlined below... please comment if you see a flaw in my thinking! ======================================================================= cut hull blank in Jarrah , fore and aft , sheerline to weather deck & waterline width only Bretagne dimensions are given as WATERLINE length-- ergo 120 mm on deck( allow extra 0 .5 mm for additional sanding ) Sstick on ( Pritt!) printed scale side elevations ( as per plan and flipped) Centre-mark/prick all the gunport centres on the ( near parallel ) sides (but not yet extrapolate around the curves bow and stern! ) Drill through 5mm DEEP with a thin pilot drill. ( I bought a fine miniaturised Pillar drill and adjustable machining table clamp to place the model under the drill ( more ) PRECISELY! Create the tumble homed hull and undercut bow using negative athwart-ships templates Form the bow and stern - and extrapolate the positions of the apertures fore and aft using photos and plans Drill open the small pilot holes to the diameter of the gunport OUTER frame sizes 1.5 mm deep ( each row is different size gunport! ) Cut and form square-ish corners with a No 11p scalpel -- insert brass squares cut from my huge stocks of old-overscale-square-aperture-ladders PE glue in and secure with CA ( as done before on 1/700 Jeanne d'Arc--except this time it will be much better! ) Attachment: boatcovers 2018.jpg [ 70.92 KiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] Run automotive stopper ( ultrafine filler as used on classic cars! ) over the gunport rows Fine-sand until the brass , wood and filler are uniformly smooth Form decks, bulwarks , gratings , Fore and aft raised decks, hammock stores funnels, bridges, stern walks, masts, spars and sails this should see me through to March.... ======================================================================================== true to the above.... Attachment: P1020582.jpg [ 1.39 MiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] Attachment: P1020642.jpg [ 1.18 MiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] Attachment: P1020645.jpg [ 1.62 MiB \| Viewed 5012 times ] Attachment: P1020655.jpg [ 1.31 MiB \| Viewed 5012 times ]

Author:	Sszabi [ Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Hello! I will be very curious about this, interesting project, beautiful ship!

Author:	MartinJQuinn [ Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Ambitious project, for sure! Good luck!

Author:	Dan K [ Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
I'll be following as well. As always.

Author:	SG1 [ Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Excellent premises for another materpiece-to-be! On standby for updates

Author:	wefalck [ Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
I had been following Karl's project and we had various discussions about it until unexpectedly passed away. RIP. That's interesting approach for the gun-ports. What is the brand of that automotive filler? I have been using a cellulose-based one, which is very good, but dries a bit too fast and tends to be rather brittle (which makes for good sanding). If I had a project like that, I gather I would have made the hull from acrylic glass, building up the full from layers and milling traverse slots for the gun-ports. Talking about artillery, I have a lot of primary information on the guns of the day - large coloured lithographs from an official publication (150 years ago I would have been shot as a spy here, if they found this in my library).

Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
" >>> ...building up the full from layers and milling traverse slots for the gun-ports....<<< ====================================================================== That is a very good plan also-- but you used that word MILLING,,... Being of a rather analogue nature...--for me my new Pillar drill is advanced stuff... and being rather nervous / shy of differing material thermal expansion these days .... ( ala my permanently plugged in Normandie model ) I noted that Acrylic moves quite a lot -- even when compared to brass/copper/stainless whicj was my issue... whereas a hardwood like teal has a sub-10 value... You being a 'sciencey and engineery ' modeller -- what are your thoughts I find the listing below both interesting, instructive as well as alarming! ABS (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene) thermoplastic 72 - 108 ABS -glass fiber-reinforced 31 Acetal - glass fiber-reinforced 39 Acetals 85 - 110 [b]Acrylic 68 - 75[/b] ALLVAR Alloy 30 (negative thermal expansion) -30 Alumina (aluminium oxide, Al2O3) 8.1 Aluminum 21 - 24 Aluminum nitride 5.3 Amber 50 - 60 Antimonial lead (hard lead) 26.5 Antimony 9 - 11 Arsenic 4.7 Bakelite, bleached 22 Barium 20.6 Barium ferrite 10 Benzocyclobutene 42 Beryllium 12 Bismuth 13 - 13.5 Brass 18 - 19 Brick masonry 5 Bronze 17.5 - 18 Cadmium 30 Calcium 22.3 Caoutchouc 66 - 69 Cast Iron Gray 10.8 Celluloid 100 Cellulose acetate (CA) 130 Cellulose acetate butynate (CAB) 96 - 171 Cellulose nitrate (CN) 80 - 120 Cement, Portland 11 Cerium 5.2 Chlorinated polyether 80 Chlorinated polyvinylchloride (CPVC) 63 - 66 Chromium 6 - 7 Clay tile structure 5.9 Cobalt 12 Concrete 13 - 14 Concrete structure 9.8 Constantan 15.2 - 18.8 Copper 16 - 16.7 Copper, Beryllium 25 17.8 Corundum, sintered 6.5 Cupronickel 30% (constantan) 16.2 Diamond (Carbon) 1.1 - 1.3 Duralumin 23 Dysprosium 9.9 Ebonite 70 Epoxy - glass fiber reinforced 36 Epoxy, cast resins & compounds, unfilled 45 - 65 Erbium 12.2 Ethylene ethyl acrylate (EEA) 205 Ethylene vinyl acetate (EVA) 180 Europium 35 Fluoroethylene propylene (FEP) 135 Fluorspar, CaF2 19.5 Gadolinium 9 German silver 18.4 Germanium 6.1 Glass, hard 5.9 Glass, plate 9.0 Glass, Pyrex 4.0 Gold 14.2 Gold - copper 15.5 Gold - platinum 15.2 Granite 7.9 - 8.4 Graphite, pure (Carbon) 4 -8 Gunmetal 18 Gutta percha 198 Hafnium 5.9 Hard alloy K20 6 Hastelloy C 11.3 Holmium 11.2 Ice, 0oC water 51 Inconel 11.5 - 12.6 Indium 33 Invar 1.5 Iridium 6.4 Iron, cast 10.4 - 11 Iron, forged 11.3 Iron, pure 12.0 Kapton 20 Lanthanum 12.1 Lead 29 Limestone 8 Lithium 46 Lutetium 9.9 Macor 9.3 Magnalium 23.8 Magnesium 25 - 26.9 Magnesium alloy AZ31B 26 Manganese 22 Manganin 18.1 Marble 5.5 - 14.1 Masonry, brick 4.7 - 9.0 Mercury 61 Mica 3 Molybdenum 5 Monel metal 13.5 Mortar 7.3 - 13.5 Neodymium 9.6 Nickel 13.0 Niobium (Columbium) 7 Nylon, general purpose 50 - 90 Nylon, glass fiber reinforced 23 Nylon, Type 11, molding and extruding compound 100 Nylon, Type 12, molding and extruding compound 80.5 Nylon, Type 6, cast 85 Nylon, Type 6/6, molding compound 80 Oak, perpendicular to the grain 54 Osmium 5 - 6 Palladium 11.8 Paraffin 106 - 480 Phenolic resin without fillers 60 - 80 Phosphor bronze 16.7 Plaster 17 Plastics 40 - 120 Platinum 9 Plutonium 47 - 54 Polyacrylonitrile 70 Polyallomer 92 Polyamide (PA) 110 Polybutylene (PB) 130 - 139 Polycarbonate (PC) 65 - 70 Polycarbonate - glass fiber-reinforced 21.5 Polyester 124 Polyester - glass fiber-reinforced 25 Polyethylene (PE) 108 - 200 Polyethylene (PE) - High Molecular Weight 108 Polyethylene terephthalate (PET) 59.4 Polyphenylene 54 Polyphenylene - glass fiber-reinforced 36 Polypropylene (PP), unfilled 72 - 90 Polypropylene - glass fiber-reinforced 32 Polystyrene (PS) 70 Polysulfone (PSO) 55 - 60 Polytetrafluorethylene (PTFE) 112 - 135 Polyurethane (PUR), rigid 57.6 Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) 54 - 110 Polyvinylidene fluoride (PVDF) 128 - 140 Porcelain, Industrial 4 Potassium 83 Praseodymium 6.7 Promethium 11 Quartz, fused 0.55 Quartz, mineral 8 - 14 Rhenium 6.7 Rhodium 8 Rock salt 40.4 Rubber, hard 80 Ruthenium 9.1 Samarium 12.7 Sandstone 11.6 Sapphire 5.3 Scandium 10.2 Selenium 37 Silicon 3 - 5 Silicon Carbide 2.77 Silver 19 - 19.7 Sitall 0.15 Slate 10 Sodium 70 Solder lead - tin, 50% - 50% 25 Speculum metal 19.3 Steatite 8.5 Steel 10.8 - 12.5 Steel Stainless Austenitic (304) 17.3 Steel Stainless Austenitic (310) 14.4 Steel Stainless Austenitic (316) 16.0 Steel Stainless Ferritic (410) 9.9 Strontium 22.5 Tantalum 6.5 Tellurium 36.9 Terbium 10.3 Terne 11.6 Thallium 29.9 Thorium 12 Thulium 13.3 Tin 20 - 23 Titanium 8.5 - 9 Topas 5 - 8 Tungsten 4.5 Uranium 13.4 Vanadium 8 Vinyl Ester 16 - 22 Vulcanite 63.6 Wax 2 - 15 Wedgwood ware 8.9 Wood, across (perpendicular) to grain 30 Wood, fir 3.7 Wood, parallel to grain 3 Wood, pine 5 Ytterbium 26.3 Yttrium 10.6 Zinc 30 - 35 Zirconium 5.7 the filler is

Author:	Pieter [ Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
I'm a not science-ish modeller with a skill level way below you or mr Falck but I do have some experience in getting rows of portholes straight on double curved surfaces as I tend to scratchbuild my hulls. What you are suggesting here may not get you the straight lines of gunports you are after. The classic way to do it is by attaching a flexible strip of wood or styrene (dutch 'strooklat') to the hull. I use quick acting superglue, traditionally small nails were used. Use the strip to guide your drill keeping the drill bit at a constant angle to the strip and you will get a perfectly straight row of portholes. Remove the strip and sand away the glue spots. As you our are not after a straight row of portholes but a straight row of square gunports a variation of this is possible. You can simply built op plating on your hull up to the levels of the row of gunports in stryrene and built the level of the gunports in styrene strip of the right size leaving the square portholes open and the pieces of styrene in between as a support for the next level. This also gives the the exact size of the gunports if you are planning to keep them open. Maybe practice on a one decker or two decker hull first (Agincourt? Gloire?). The link is to my mini guide on drilling portholes. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=157837

Author:	wefalck [ Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Pieter, that's a good point. I had been thinking of the more or less straight sides of the ship, but indeed around the bow, one would certainly need to mill perpendicular to the sides and not to the middle line. Jim, thermal expansion certainly is an issue when combining different materials and the effect is more pronounced the longer the parts are. Wood (or at least certain species) has the additional issue of swelling/shrinking with changing humidity, as many shipmodellers only too well know. In real terms considering an expansion coefficient of 0.075 mm / m / K for acrylic glass, this means that your hull of 0.12 m length would elongate by 0.075 * 0.12 * 40 = 0,36 mm when you heat it from 0°C to 40°C (see https://www.pmma.dk/acryl_expansion.aspx?Lang=en-GB). If you did the same calculation for a brass bulwark running along the whole model, you would have an elongation of only 0,09 mm, so a difference of 0.27 mm. Yes one could perhaps see some minor cracks at the ends ... I have been thinking, however, of a combination of acrylic glass and polystyrene, which is what I am intending to use in my next project. Both plastics have similar expansion coefficients, so I expect no problems.

Author:	pascalemod [ Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Having started also a 1/700 rigged ship I am very excited to follow this!

Author:	Rui Matos [ Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Hi Jim Well.. what can I say? You know which ones to pick Another very educative scratchbuilt log, for sure! Keep us posted Cheers, Rui

Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
Hello Gentlemen; Note, the hull currently extends up the weather deck only, the installation of the tall bulwarks around the weather deck and the poop deck will change the appearance considerably! ========================================================================================== I have been busy on the Hull of Bretagne... see the results below . @ Pieter @ WeFalck What you guys said about the changing angle of incidence is absolutely true and correct! However-- I only pricked the centres and drilled the ' locater ' holes down the near parallel sides; only that way the deep pilot holes--relative to the sheer-line and deck-levels was correct, ==> regardless of how much of the hull sides was removed ( I checked the with green tape ) Attachment: P1020660.jpg [ 1.65 MiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] Attachment: P1020663.jpg [ 1.24 MiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] Attachment: P1020665.jpg [ 1.05 MiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] I subsequently shaped the plan profile, ( significantly narrower on the deck than waterline ) by taking the broad angle off on the beltsander ( crude-- but very fast! ) Attachment: Bretagne_Stern_Bogire_lines.jpg [ 1.18 MiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] I cut out lots (and lots ! ) of half section templates to guide the tumble-home shaping Attachment: PhuBL0CRpQO0zLCY.jpg [ 889.11 KiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] On this solid hull, the hollow shapes of the tumble-home shaping would appear a challenge... and it was ! I used various sizes Ball shaped grinding tools, as well as 'parallel-sides-drum-with-positive-curved-cone-point cutting-face ( what would be the correct name for that...?? ) these various grinding bits and cutters were installed in my vertical pillar Drill chuck and the the hull mounted on a copper plate, ( low friction and stable larger surface datum plate for handling This was slid around at various heights along the rotating cutters and grinding tools until an agreeable and ( near!?) correct shape -according to the templates - was achieved. a light sanding and then white tape was applied below the pilot holes of all three rows of gunports and the continuation lines thereof, allowing accurate marking off with dividers for the remaining pilot holes. Attachment: P1020670.jpg [ 995.53 KiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] Attachment: P1020674.jpg [ 1.46 MiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] Then large enough drill bits ( different size for lower 2 x rows than the upper) to cut holes big enough for the brass squares to be inserted ( This looks crude and brutal at the moment ) but the holes follow the lines sweetly! The shape of the hull is hard to see in naked wood... hence a helpful line superimposed on the photo... Attachment: P1020678.jpg [ 976.64 KiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] Attachment: P1020679.jpg [ 973.27 KiB \| Viewed 4836 times ] The installation of the gunport brass square frames will follow shortly! cheers Jim Baumann

Author:	wefalck [ Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
I suppose, certain kinds of pattern- or die-maker files would have been useful for working on the convex parts of the hull. There are spoon-shaped ones that give a convenient angle of attack, while the file part itself is flat on the work-piece.

Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
I do have som files of that ilk-- I should have said I also used a variety of scalpel and Stanley blades as a draw-blade in one direction to unify the hollow as appropriate. some progress-- I gave the hull a couple of coats of high build primer in readiness to sand off - when hard- to get rid of imperfections. Attachment: P1020692.jpg [ 1.1 MiB \| Viewed 4757 times ] Attachment: P1020693.jpg [ 1.08 MiB \| Viewed 4757 times ] while that is hardening... I tried out for size all the ladderstock-in various scales as well as some types of mesh grill and handrails etc that I could cut out the required size squares for the gunport frames I found some that were of use for the upper row as well as the weather deck but nothing for the 2 lower rows... Peter Hall of Atlantic models came up trumps from the 2 x lower rows of gunports... 1/600 Atlantic Models Liner rails-- single bar-- Attachment: portholes.jpg [ 1.11 MiB \| Viewed 4757 times ] I now have 3 frets and 3 lengths of rail and I need around 120 plus to allow for mis-cuts, losses and mistakes.... Attachment: P1020694.jpg [ 845.05 KiB \| Viewed 4757 times ] Attachment: P1020695.jpg [ 2.61 MiB \| Viewed 4757 times ] my eyes are going square.... more soon JB

Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Thu Jan 25, 2024 2:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden warship
quick update.... => the tedium of creating 140 gun-ports and 18 other hull apertures is collective... !!! but we are getting there I used tape to establish datums of spacing for the cuts in the wood ( Swann Morton 11 Pointed Blade) Attachment: P1020696.jpg [ 1.06 MiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] The Jarrah wood is very hard and the blades don't last long on the tips ( the only part that is being used for this operation) The cutting of wood looks an unsubtle if not crude process to the observer...! ( it is when I do it! ) Attachment: P1020715.jpg [ 1.29 MiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] The ' squarish' apertures are chamfered so that the brass PE square can be centred up relative to the deep pilot hole ( I also double-checked centres with the use of dividers... just in case. Attachment: P1020720.jpg [ 1.28 MiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] The brass squares are tacked on with CA at the lower datum edges and the tuned for alignment. Small blobs of white glue then locate the upper corners so that the brass square cannot ' fall in ' . I then fill in between the blobs with CA gel Ugly huh!! But with the addition of the ' Stopper filler ' things look much improved Attachment: P1020699.jpg [ 987.85 KiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] The sanding vindicates that the gun-port apertures are level in plane to the surface of the hull sides Attachment: P1020702.jpg [ 896.53 KiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] More sanding with 2000 and more filling The trapezoid shaped windows on the aft corners --seen here on the real thing in build Attachment: 2Fi06385_Port_militaire_de_Brest.small.pg.jpg [ 1.48 MiB \| Viewed 4668 times ] shows the corner windows having a trapezoid shape created by the double curvature of the hull Making these was quite tricky, requiring the brass ' frame' to pulled in opposite corners very gently with pliers Attachment: P1020714.jpg [ 1.08 MiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] One side - Stb-- is now almost done bar final touch up filling. Attachment: P1020712.jpg [ 974.61 KiB \| Viewed 4669 times ] The Port side has the lower row of ports completed just another 2 rows of the same... ( arghhh !!) more news soon Jim Baumann

Author:	marijn van gils [ Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden wall wars
Fantastic! I was really looking forward to this one! I'm too late for the hull and gun port construction debate. But anyway, I think, in 1/700 your way is probably the most efficient without any compromise to quality. Providing you have a sharp eye and some patience to position the PE frames as perfectly as possible of course, which of course you clearly have. Did you get the pilot hole drilling technique from one of Philip Reed's books? I believe he used it for his 74-gun Majestic. I'm already looking forward to see how you will tackle the bulwarks!

Author:	wefalck [ Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden wall wars
I would not only get square eyes, but fingers too ...

Author:	Iceman 29 [ Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden wall wars
Precision work, Jim! The slightest misalignment of the frames would no longer make the model credible.

Author:	JIM BAUMANN [ Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 1/700 Bretagne-1855 scratch The largest wooden wall wars
Gentlemen... wefalck wrote ..... >>> I would not only get square eyes, but fingers too ... <<< I reckon not-- you would simply use your suggested technique ( which I think has all of its own potential pitfalls Iceman wrote:...>>> The slightest misalignment of the frames would no longer make the model credible.....<<< that is absolutely correct--I spent yesterday evening checking each port in the mirror I guess you would have drawn and 3-d printed it? Marjinn wrote >>>.....Did you get the pilot hole drilling technique from one of Philip Reed's books? I believe he used it for his 74-gun Majestic....<<< Nope-- I thought that out myself..but its not hard --I must must look at my Reed books... >>>....I'm too late for the hull and gun port construction debate. .......<<<< No you are not!- go on ....-- weigh in ==>how would you have made the hull? ====================================================================================== more new progress & photos shortly !

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