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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:48 pm 
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Have you tried looking up the '68 edition of Jane's or Weyer's Warships of the World for info on the radars?

I didn't see Weyer's on eBay, but there is a Jane's:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Janes-Fighting-Ships-1967-1968-McGraw-Hill-503-Pgs-66-Ad-Pages-/380877103571?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58ae0b61d3


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s4usea,

It's not the radar units themselves - I have photos and plans for the radar antenna. It's the details of the mast and associated equipment on the mast. Side elevations, and plans views on the usual available plans are vague, at best. Details, sections, etc. (as on actual drawings) would really help. I've inquired as to those, but it's an open issue at this time.

I will give Jane's a look-see, however. Good idea, never the less :cool_1:

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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Well, after a month of making a new Foremast/Radars I'm finally back to where I was. The pictures are as of last night and while I still have a few details to add, the mast is done. Those items couldn't be fitted until the mast was in place on the conning tower.

Next week I will start building the ULQ-6 ECM antennas for the upper conning tower on both sides. I've also drawn this in MicroStation so I can have fairly accurate specs to go by since this is a bit confusing to look at.

I've recently discovered the MO kit does not include the after Movie Projection Booth since it didn't exist in 1945. So, I've drawn up this in MicroStation and now have what should prove to be a "fairly" reliable representation of it as of 1969. With very little info available and only 2 somewhat detailed photos, I can't be certain that it is 100% correct as to the equipment on the after bulkhead, but it is close. This item will be a totally scratchbuilt structure when I get time to work on it. It was furhter modified in the '80s modernization so my drawing won't apply to those building the later version of the class. This booth was added to all 4 IOWAs in the mid-50's but differed slightly ship to ship.
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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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Looking really goood Hank!

It looks like you are adding new pipes on the superstructure too?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:40 am 
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Hank!

Your photos and construction look very good indeed. The full array of antennas will be very convincing. I am lucky to have a number of photos from the current version of the BB63 movie house but a historical version would be somewhat more interesting to research. Fortunately a fairly simple item to scratch except for the ladder rungs.

NJ doesn't have the bulge on the 08 conning station? Or is that a separate part or scratch mod area?

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Jason,

Thanks for the kind remark!! Yes - both sides of the superstructure (conning tower) were modified during her 67 refit. After sanding off the existing wiring/piping on the kit tower, I've added brass wire according to the details in Chesley's insets for this modification. It also involves modifying the two 40mm tubs (for the radio antenna), the center 20/40mm ammo storage area between those tubs (already modified), and various small mods to the 08 conning station (partially complete) and wheel house (kit had the rounded one, NJ has a squared one). There will be additional mods to add the Mk. 56 F.C. directors on either side of the fwd. stack and those will all (6 total) have to be scratchbuilt. I haven't even thought about those; drawings will need to be made in order to do them right. Later in the build, obviously!

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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Since my last post, I was able to contact and correspond with a former Long Beach Naval Shipyard project manager who was involved with the final fitting of radar and electronics aboard USS NEW JERSEY prior to her Sept. 1968 departure for WesPac. Richard Landgraff and I have been erstwhile correspondents/battleship enthusiasts since the 80’s and have now re-established contact after quite a few years of absence. Richard spent well over 30 years at LBNSYD working on the IOWAs through the years as the needs of the Navy changed and the ships were in service and out. Currently he is involved with the USS IOWA Museum located at the L.A. Ports.

After an exchange of photos and a critique of my (2nd) mast assembly, Richard made a few observations which I have amended this week:

1) The foremast on NEW JERSEY was removed in 1967 at Philadelphia NSYD and replaced with a 36” diameter lower pole. The current available plans of NJ of this time period do not show the mast correctly. They also show the mast with a starboard side vertical ladder and this is also incorrect. The ladder is mounted on the front face of the mast; I now have photo proof of this thanks to Richard. I have removed the mast from the conning tower, modified (enlarged) the two mast support brackets and replaced (modified) the lower mast pole to achieve the required diameter ( 3/16” @ 1:200 scale) or as near to it as I could make it without major damage to the rest of the assembly.
2) The forward tubular bracing I made for the lowest radar platform is not correct and was modified per Richard's directions to more closely resemble the actual bracing. In addition, side tube bracing that was omitted from the after brace was added.

In addition to the technical knowledge I have learned this week, Richard has also provided me with other snippets of battleship history (namely involving NJ) that probably no one else is aware of. This kind of first-hand lore is slowly but surely disappearing as those associated with battleships and their construction/modification take their final shore leave. I am keeping these items of lore in a separate file as they are related to me in order to hopefully preserve these stories.

One item of interest that I will share is that any photos you see of NEW JERSEY in her late 60's configuration with her 40mm gun tubs up forward of Turret 1 are PRE-deployment photos. Those tubs were removed the day I arrived on board in Sept. 1968 and Richard was supervising the yard crew removing those tubs. We left a couple days later for Westpac.

The photos show the new mast structure with only painting left to be complete. I will begin work on the 08 Level Conning Station and ULQ-6 antenna next week.
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Hopefully, I'll be able to "retain" Richard as my own "Dreadnaught Consultant" on this project since his 1st hand knowledge of this ship is so extensive.

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:25 pm 
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Hank

Very nice! That seems to be a constant feature of scratch building, several iterations to get it right. Your mast and tower work looking quite good. Glad you have been able to pull in some additional resource material.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:23 pm 
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Thanks, Tom - I think the "research" end of modeling is never ending - esp. when you have some, but perhaps not all the info pulled into one place and at your disposal.

One other interesting IOWA class factoid is that the original lower mast pole of these ships was designed to be lowered to enable them to pass under the Brooklyn Bridge (as in visiting the old Brooklyn Naval Yard?). That pole was (on NEW JERSEY only) replaced with a 36" diameter one in 1967 at Philadelphia and was the only part of the mast structure that was incorporated into the present tripod mast on the ship today. A band of 7/16" steel reinforcing was added for frag. protection due to the type of steel that was used in the '67 mast pole. The '81 renovations placed the wiring and waveguides inside the pole rather than strapped to the exterior as we had it in 67-69.

I based my original/2nd mast on the ABC/TW drawings and obviously the changes made to the ship were not picked up by those drafters since scaling the drawings gives you an incorrect diameter; as well, the location of the lower ladder to the 1st platform. A minor detail, but in my opinion, an important one. Now when I look at photos of the '67-69 NEW JERSEY I can see that her lower foremast was NOT the same one as she carried in the mid '50s up to her '57 decommissioning.

In addition, photos Mr. Landgraff has provided me also show that the ULQ-6 ECM antenna frame as depicted in the ABC/TW drawings is not "as built" - I've revised my CAD drawing accordingly and when I get these antenna arrays built they will reflect as close as I can make them, the ship's actual frame configuration and, hopefully, the "top hat" ECM gear mounted on that framework. I may also do a bit of detail "tweaking" of the upper mast platforms as these photos have shown a couple minor differences in the foot straps below the platforms from what I've depicted. Again, minor details.

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:42 pm 
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Otherwise, no one else would know!

So great research and work


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Hank

Watching the progress is like a very slow strip tease. Looking forward as the pyramids builds its way down. Bit of a hiatus here for model building whilst busy with the new work.

Keep the flame lit! Tom


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:33 am 
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Tom,

Thanks for the kind remarks!! Yea, I kinda figured you were up, up, up and away for a while - take care and safe flying!!! We'll keep on modeling in your absence :woo_hoo:

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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What day it is.... :woo_hoo:

Just because you like that Ad :thumbs_up_1:

Anyway, dude you work on the antennae is paying off. It looks awesome. I was given this kit and a pontos set recently to build for a friend who's nick name was Missouri while serving in the military. So, I've got a good idea now what y'all got yourself into here. Its bit out of my comfort zone...or is that Danger zone :heh: well, the more I work on the Mo the more I feel like the curly "why certainty, whoop whoop whoop."

Well, least to say soon I'm done build my friends Mo then I'll be getting one for sure. So, you keep on keeping on and I'll follow along to see what I can lean :thumbs_up_1:

Mike

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Mike,

I appreciate the nice remarks. Good luck with your MO!

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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I've started on the ULQ-6 radar antenna frames and after two nights of work, have a couple photos to show progress.
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This phase of the build is assisted by R. Landgraff (as mentioned in an earlier post) who actually worked on the final construction of these ECM units in 1968 prior to the ship's departure for WesPac. So, I'm fairly confident that his knowledge will pay off in the long run.

While I'm using my CAD file for the overall construction of these frames, I'm thinking that they could be improved upon by perhaps being produced in PE brass and designed to be a folded-over frame instead of individual pieces as my framework is currently constructed. This would also eliminate the fact that the two frames are not 100% identical and that all the members were the same width, etc.

So, when it comes time to mount these units on the conning tower, I will probably use minimal glue so that they can be replaced with a more professionally designed and constructed set in the future.

Tonight I will try to get the intial painting done and begin work on the lower "Derby Hat" framework construction that will be added below the existing framework. The actual ECM gear has yet to be constructed and then added.

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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Hank

Those came out really well and will look even better when painted. The gratings, those are from the floater net PE parts?

A worthwhile two nights of modeling.

Cheers. Tom


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Tom,

Thanks so much. Sorry for the delay in responding. The first coat of paint went on last night and I've finished some more of the framework - pix next week.

The grating is from the kit, but to be honest, I'm not sure that these pieces came from the floater net collection - they may be some of the secondary fire control radar screens.

Richard L. has informed me that the original grating was expanded metal to save weight, rather than actual steel grating plates. He also went on to say that when he was up in the framework in Sept. 68 placing plastic discs under the ECM gear in order to determine the correct sizes so the machine shop could mill steel ones, the walkway was so cramped he couldn't tie off - the NAVELEX personnel were adamant that the wave guides NOT have any more bends in them than necessary so they were placed in the middle of the walkways in straight fashion - no room for personnel!!!

So, this is the closest I could come without making my own PE parts (not going to happen anytime soon!).

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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You're mast really looks great with the corrections. I'd like to see the technique you used to scratch build the radar. I'd also love to see more pictures of your main mast. My build is on hold until I get the pontos set and the plans to cover Wisconsin 1957/58, hope fully with enough detail to scratch build the quadrapod main mast she had at that time. I'll need to scratch build the an/sps-8 and sps-6 radar just for starters. I want to incorporate some hull plating detail too, the kit is too big for a bare hull. I still hope Pontos or some other producer will make a modern U.S. Navy radar set in 1/200. Just out of curiosity did USS Halsey ever operate with you when you were operating in Vietnamese waters?


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Tom,

I'm guessing that you are the one who answered my post on World Affairs Board. Do send me a PM as I mentioned in that long reply.

Thanks for the kind remarks, they're well appreciated. As for the Main Mast (2 legs w/2 attachments to after stack):

I've only constructed the after 2 leg portion with diagonal support tubes and the equipment platform. The radio array I've scrapped to begin anew - it just didn't look right. I set up a plywood board (jig) with the legs positioned correctly on it and held in place with wooden square pieces on either side. I then placed the diagonal supports in position and held them in place likewise. Then soldered the affair together and once cool sanded, ground, and filed all joints to a smooth finish. I may redo this as well. The legs, while I checked the diameter of the brass tube I was using met the required diameter, just doesn't look thin enough. Anyhow, I then constructed the equipment platform and put it in place. I used the kit PE railings throughout both mast constructions since it will be surplus when I use the Pontos PE on the model itself. Then came the upper radio antenna and that's where I stopped. The 2 forward "legs" of the mast (which are actually the attachment points on the stack) can't be constructed until the stack is completed and in place. Here is where the Pontos PE comes into play. I think these two tube braces are part of the WWII supports the kit (and Pontos) include - I will have to double check this. The point of attachment is the same, but the parts will have to be checked for proper diameter, etc. I don't think that the lower Main Mast was replaced on NJ, only the platform and upper radio equipment was new. I'm going to confirm all this with my west coast BB consultant (Rusty Battleship, WAB) in case he has another slant on things.

You might want to purchase one of these grab bags of assorted brass, alum., copper, and other metal tubes from Micro Mark. That's where I found all the various sizes of metal tubes for my masts.

The SPS-6C and SPS-8 radars will have to be scratchbuilt. Here is a link to a valuable U.S.N. radio site that I found a lot of information on - http://www.navy-radio.com/ You can download the .pdfs of his antenna info and then peruse it at your leisure. I can send you info on the SPS-6 (PM me with your email), but the SPS-8 was not part of NJ in the mid-60's. The construction was with styrene plastic, brass wire, and kit PE screen that was originally intended for some floater nets. The foundation and lower parts, etc. were mostly plastic. Make sure when you spray paint the units that you also air blast them to clear paint out of the screening - I didn't do this, so they're not 100% in the appearance dept.

As I mentioned on WAB, I can send you copies of my hull plating drawings from which you can print on any std. printer. I'm using Strathmore paper and I can give you that info in the email.

Hope this helps,

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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Well, the conning tower is complete! - with the exception of the (2) 35' Whip Antennas that will be added to the front of the upper angled bracket at a later date. The ULQ-6 ECM framework and gear was quite a project in itself. While not perfect, I think it will suffice until I can figure out a way to design a layout for PE brass parts to be made that would ensure exactness throughout.
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I've also added the lower navigational yardarm and the rigging to it will be a later addition. Next will be the 08 Level Open Conn Station and work on the lower conning tower/stack.

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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