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Colleagues, good afternoon. Thank you so much, you are constantly helping me out of this situation, I simply do not have the opportunity to have such a rich photo archive, and as we move along the model, new questions arise. Today I raise questions about the "pom-pom" ... I have already noticed that the life rafts did not have their own color but were part of camouflage., But what color did they have antiaircraft guns ??? .. If I am not mistaken, those that were on the gun turrets were MC4 ... but then the side ones should be of different colors depending on the side. Also, do you think you painted the Oerlikon deck mounts or not ...

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Thanks Dick. I concur there is no lighter area in the photo you have posted named KGV P3. Do you have a date for this photo by any chance? The camouflage scheme was modified over time, so I suppose the key point is to compare like with like time wise?

It actually raises more questions than it answers because to me it looks like there are three colours on the aft funnel. Also the change to the lighter colour at the funnel top is well above the level of the searchlight platforms. It is level with the searchlight platform in the latest suggested colour scheme drawing for 1943. See annotations below:


Assuming the Imperial War Museum has the correct date listed on the photo, then the photo I posted earlier is from October 1942. I post it again here below for discussion, enlarged as much as I can using the IWM online tool. To further show what I meant as regards the pattern on the forward face of the aft superstructure:


As regards the lighter vertical section of the aft HACS Director support structure could it simply be a reflection off the edge of the structure? The structure does not seem to be perfectly triangular in plan, seems to have a very short length of straight edge parallel to the ship's side?

Again, we know for a fact that H.M.S. Howe had her camouflage scheme modified. As did KGV herself. So there is clear precedent and evidence for modifications to the scheme. Just seems to be a question of figuring out what was modified and when? And what colours?

I think my photo was taken very late April 1943 (possibly later (until Feb 1944), but certainly not earlier).

This zoomed-in image shows the aft funnel more clearly. The straight horizontal/vertical and angled lines of the edges of the (smallish) dark patches above and below the searchlight platform are to my mind not part of the curvy camouflage pattern with its big panels. I suspect some specific areas of the funnel plus the vertical sides of the platform are in the process of being repainted and we may be looking at red lead. Your area 2 is I think revealed just to be shadow under the platform:

I have now found a photo (dated 1st Jan 1943) which does show the angled face of the aft deckhouse and to my eye the diagonal is very much as Jamie has it in his illustration:

I think you are right about the effect of the the straight edges on the support to the HACs director.

Interesting dick, thanks for that. The thought of red lead primer on the funnel did occur to me alright but then I thought maybe not? As there is a flat horizontal divide to a lighter colour on the aft funnel in the later 1943 version of the camouflage.

The straight edge on the aft HACS support structure is very clearly seen here, though the photo is from 1941 so no camouflage evident yet:
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205137829

Great to see so many photos now emerging. The IWM online archive is fantastic in this respect. As is the work done by Sovereign Hobbies and all their associates who assist in drawing up the schemes and paint colours.


Back to Ivan's question about the colours of the anti-aircraft guns. I presume you mean the 40mm Pom-Poms?

There are some colour photos on the IWM Website that show the camouflage scheme being carried through the Pom-Pom shields as seen here:
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205188330
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205188333
and here:
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205188327

Some of the photos are titled 'on board a battleship'. But the Battleship is H.M.S. King George V in November 1942.