Calling all Wickes-class & Clemson-class "Four-Piper" fans

[Tracy White]

"Destroyers - 60 Years" by William Schofield
Publisher: New York, Rand McNally [1962]

AbeBooks has several copies listed.

Also, if you guys check out my schematics gallery listed above one of the APD camouflage design sheets has been posted.

[Doneganart]

Hi Jim,

Yup those were the same two books I grew up on - only have "Flush Decks and Four Pipes" left. Which reminds me that people tend to call these ships Flush deckers which is correct - what is not correct is "4 stackers" as my Father corrected me so many times, they are indeed "4 pipers"

Yes I recall the article on the Edsall - even my dad was surprised to read it - not sure he knew what happened to it either.

Need to correct my e-mail as I am getting rid of my AOL account and using Comcast. Yes I know I am one of those bring the price of AOL stock down

Doneganart@comcast.net

Cheers,

Mike

[Tracy White]

Yes I know I am one of those bring the price of AOL stock down

They deserve it.

[Doneganart]

Don't mean to be O.T. but I agree Tracy. Their customer service is really bad when it came to handling my problems - only exceeded by trying to un-subscribe - what a hassle that was.

My biggest complaints were they have become big advertisment. I see a story in the news I like and it takes you to an ad instead. Also the price and problems with DSL are not worth the price. Broadband is the only way to go especially as many photos and so on as I download.

Mike

[Hugh Williams]

There is of course the USS Borie, which had a one-to-one tangle with a surfaced U-Boat and whilst sinking the u-boat had to be sunk by other escorts from a Carrier Hunting Group as she had become so heavily damaged in the scrap. That would make for a two model box set (in 1-350 of course!?)

Story as related in that something of a history book 'Bitter Ocean' David Fairbank White, ISBN 0-7553-1088-8

I believe the story was made into a film, featuring a Buckley class DE!

Add to that the four pipers who lost a funnel when being modded for longe range ocean escort.



An interesting thought.

[Hugh Williams]

Thanks, at least people talk normal here.

Anyway I have sent a list of things to Trumpeter in the past including DD, CA, CLs, etc. and of coursee a 4 piper. However, In that case I do not care who make just so someone does but I think it should be in a large scale like a 1/144 so we can really appreciate and detail it. I know I would buy 2 right off the bat

So every so often I send them something to think about

Right now I am puzzled by Ray D. Beans statement that DML is going to make a 1/350 WWII Carrier - wonder if they are going to upscale the CVL

That would be nice!

A thought passed me by, on reviewing this comment, but USS Card and USS Borie would make a fine set, and, introduce the Jeep carriers as well as the flush deckers (or four pipers, as I refer to them). I allude further to USS Borie in my post at the end of this section

[Tracy White]

There are SO many four pipers that would make excellent subjects.
I can think of at least three Navies... maybe four (Free French?)

Lots of interesting variations and versions.

Whether or not the market would actually support an injection molded kit (I.E. more than a limited resin run) I'm not sure, but I am hopefull!

[Willie.]

Hi there,

As a new comer to this excellent forum, I enclose a couple of pics of the proyect that is underway on my workbench, HMS Campbeltown.
I am utterly delighted to have found this place, and I hope that some friend here can lend me a hand.
Here you are, HMS Campbeltown, in her time as a escort in the Royal Navy, Revell 1/240, that I am building using the excellent book of the series AOTS HMS Campbeltown, by Al Ross :































And now my question :
Can somebody give me details about this area marked in red, or better, some pics of it ? I have already made some basic structures, but I don�t want to work only with guesses.





All critics are very welcome, as I am yet in time to make any necessary changes and adittions.
Thanks in advance, and best regards,

Willie.

[Avery Boyer]

Stunning model, truly inspriational. The scratch built details are amazing

[Tracy White]

Very Nice Willie.. a lot like what I did to my Ward but much beter!

Unfortunately, what with the large number of ships, coming out of a large number of yards, and serving a large number of years, unless you find photos of Cambletown herself you can't be sure it's correct.

[les]

Very nice work. So much better than P/E.

[jep1210]

Very nice work. Can't wait to see more. Please forgive my self back patting but, I'm glad I started this post.


J.P.

[Mike Glasgow]

The match stick and pencil references really shows your talent, great job on the detail can't wait to see the sub assemblies all together. Your use of stretched sprue and plastic forming is very nice. Thanks for posting the pictures.

[Willie]

(...) can't wait to see the sub assemblies all together (...)

Thanks you all for your kind remarks.
Here you are a couple of pics more and a pic of the whole thing together in the shipyard, laking some elements that for some reason cannot be put in place yet.

I hope you like it.
Any advice will be more than welcome.
Best regards from the North Atlantic,

Willie.[/size]

[JH]

Splendid work
it's really coming on

Keep it up


JH

[jameyt]

willie, i think your work is great i would like you to provide some info on the main guns . that is the best example i have seen in a while. i have a revell kit i am wamting to start ,after seeing this man i am ready to go. you ought to do a article on the whole project. jimt

[jep1210]

Hey Willie,

I was just wondering what modification did you have to make to the area where the anchors lie? I see in the picture you have added some styrene and I was just curious.

J.P.

[Willie]

willie, i think your work is great i would like you to provide some info on the main guns . that is the best example i have seen in a while. i have a revell kit i am wamting to start ,after seeing this man i am ready to go. you ought to do a article on the whole project. jimt

Jamey,

The building of these guns is the easiest thing ever.
You simply have to take some styrene rod and shape it with the point of your X-acto, first the tube part, then the breechblock part, until it is more or less the shape you want it, making it a bit too long, so that you can cut the excess of tube if necessary -- adding would be MUCH more difficult.
Then sand it until it is perfectly smoothly, and cut it to the necessary lenght.
All the rest is only stretched sprue, in different shapes, calibers and lenghts.
The AA gun is the same, but parting from a thinner styrene rod.
The most difficult thing was the No.1 gun shield, which was made building the sides and the frame with styrere strip (6 pieces), and covering it with thin plastic from a yogourt container (1 piece). The hole on the middle for allowing the elevation of the guns was hand made with the point of the X-acto (I was sweating for 15 minutes), and filed to shape with a mouse tail file.
The Revell kit is of awful quality, but is right regarding the basic structures, and this scale allows you lots of margin for good scratch-building work.
Good luck with your construction, and let me know if there is something else I can help you with.
Best regards,

Willie.

[Willie]

Hey Willie,
I was just wondering what modification did you have to make to the area where the anchors lie? I see in the picture you have added some styrene and I was just curious.
J.P.

Hi Jep1267,

I simply glued together the two halves of the hull to the main deck, and filed down the deck and hull sides at the same time, to the adecuate depth.
Then I put in place two pieces -- more or less triangular -- of yogourt container, vertical and oblique, let it dry very well, and sanded the until they were straight in line with deck and hull sides.
As you can see, it is very very easy.

Best regards from Spain,

Willie.

[jameyt]

willy, could you put some pics of the guns with somthing to give an idea for measuring or idea for proportion ect. thanks. i agree the revell kit leaves alot to be desired but with some work as you have shown it can be done. jameyt