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To be fair to the builder, cathodic protection was spec'ed into the original design and was one of many things dropped in the name of cost containment when it became obvious early on that the ship was going to suffer severe overruns.

As Timmy mentioned, it will be retro-fitted and has been included in subsequent design specs on the new construction.

What's baffling is how the Navy thought galvanic corrosion would not occur.

Pft; there's photos of big battleships in the teens with anodes. Dissimilar metal corrosion was taught in my airframe & powerplant courses from day one; you don't put a steel bolt through an aluminum structure without expecting some sort of corrosion control in aviation. Makes me wonder how their civilian ships fare....

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It's not exactly the craft's fault, is it? I can't believe a worthless yard is still designing things like this. However, as questioned before, in commercial shipping, sacrificial anodes have been largely replaced by electrical induction systems. On the deck part however (which probably is a different design team after all), mistakes like this are still made, stainless steel bolts on regular steel supports etc. happens often enough. Stainless steel piping however is often protected by a teflon washer, I guess teflon washers are so expensive that you're better off buying new bolts or supports... Or they just forgot of course. For the cheap Asian yards, I can still understand, but for a US yard/design such things shouldn't happen (certainly not at such a price tag).

For those buoyancy tanks, considering their place and shape, I'd expect it has more to do with pitching reduction in heavy weather than with actual weight limitations. With LCS-3 perhaps, if not along the hull, they just stretched the stern to actually incorporate the extra length?

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The build up of the new Cyberhobby kit is on the CyberHobby website, and it looks rather tasty.

i won't post the link as i would guess Tim will post it up on the main site as part of a preview or hopefully as the actual review as they are due soon

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Currently planning CVA-01 scratchbuild in 1/700
Also planning RN projects 363, 381, 382, 387, Type 82(as designed), Type 43.

Here's a quick preview of the kit.

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Timothy Dike
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Received the Cyberhobby 1/700 LCS-1 this week and it looks a nice model, there are however 3 stern sections in the kit, one with the stern door closed, one with it open and a third extended stern piece not mentioned in the instructions.

Will LCS-3 and the rest of the class have a longer stern than Freedom ?

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Currently planning CVA-01 scratchbuild in 1/700
Also planning RN projects 363, 381, 382, 387, Type 82(as designed), Type 43.

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I received my kit a couple of weeks ago. Very nicely done. It is however crying out for some proper railings. Has anyone heard if a PE set will be made for this kit? Or does anyone have any suggestions for railings? What's unique about this one is that all the railings are angled conforming to the structures.
Dave

VT Halter Marine down in Pascagoula recently launched the first of four Egyptian fast missile crafts: http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pr ... _egyp.html

If the painting is accurate, it would appear to be a smaller, cheaper, better armed LCS, though lacking helo and multi-mission space.

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De quoi s'agit-il?

Piling on...

The following was found at: http://www.coltoncompany.com/

HOW DO THE NAVY'S GREAT MINDS WORK?
I do not understand why the Navy has apparently abandoned the standardized approach to ship type classification. They call the new combatant ships being built by Marinette and Austal littoral combat ships. Why the pretentious littoral and not the straightforward coastal, which the Navy has used for 100 years or so? Do you know anyone who uses littoral rather than coastal in every day speech? There is absolutely no difference in meaning between littoral and coastal: look them up. Then the Navy uses the type classification LCS, as if type names are just abbreviations. And a type classification beginning with an L suggests that it's an amphibious-warfare ship. These ships should be classified as PFs, i.e., patrol frigates, and the numbering should carry on from the last series of PFs, i.e. starting at 109.

Then there are the joint high-speed vessels. Guys, the word joint is not required: it relates to the program, not to the vessel. Over the years we've had lots of boats that were used by both the Navy and the Army - and by the Coast Guard too - and we never needed a J before. And again, type classifications are not just abbreviations. This ship is not a JHSV, or even an HSV: it is an APc, a coastal transport. And because it's going to be operated by MSC or one of its contractors, with a civilian crew, it's actually a T-APc and the numbering should carry on from the last series of APc's, i.e. starting at 116.

And then there's the naming system: the first two PFs have names that are not consistent with the naming system selected for the class, as does the fourth T-APc. Can't they get anything right?

I don't know why I get so steamed up about things like this. But am I wrong?

September 15, 2011.

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Of course there is a point is such thoughts.

But I presume that may be there are different concepts at modern navy for littorial combat ships which we do not know and which may be differnt from the one behind coast ships? AFAIK littorial ships are not to protect the coast of a motherland or that of a colony (like coastal ships) but to act near any coast, to deliver special groups etc. These ships are made not for WWIII but for counteracting new local challenges - like terrorist regimes etc. they are supposed to cross oceans, to make a quick and addressed attack and disappear using their speed so that they are like torpedo boats of WWII but we oceanic range and variety of applications rather then coastal gun-boats of the past.

These are presumtions only of a total noob in modern naval strategy esp. that of US - as we know ships are designed for certain tasks and strategy which shall be known in detail before any analysis or critisism.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Yevgeniy

I agree with Yevgeniy - historically "coastal" merely refers to protection of one's own coast. Coastal battleship, coastal monitor, etc. Heck, the term "Coast Guard" would spring to mind if it was used. Littoral for me calls for visions of islands and atolls and other areas of shallow water - SE Asia, for example.

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De quoi s'agit-il?

Gentlemen,

The LCS program has lots of problems, and, in my humble opinion, should be cancelled. A Navalized version of the National Security Cutter (which has the same gun) would do better in many aspects. The VISBY corvette was studied by USN for the LCS. It appears that the lessons were not inculcated.
There is a 1/96 scale radio-controlled model of USS FREEDOM (LCS-1), offered by Homeport Models. I know the fellow making these, it is a good product. I should add that I produce the 57mm MK110 gun for this model

It is a shame that the US Navy is still building these. They also continued to make changes AFTER CONSTRUCTION STARTED! No, you don't do that and expect good results. We'll see if they survive a future round of budget cuts if the Supercommittee cannot come to an agreement soon.

Respectfully,
Nelson

Here's a link to a recent article on the LCSs. You may choose ignore the delusional assertions about the great deal these ships are, and just enjoy the close-up video shots in the video that accompanies the article.

Lethal 'Lego'
Navy unveils combat ship with changeable features

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/07 ... -ship-1-4/

(Personally, I think the 'modular ship' concept is foolish and discredited, and the "Lego ship" theme is pretty nauseating. But both ships, if judged strictly on appearance, are pretty darned cool-looking!)

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LockMart advertises its "Surface Combat Ship" variant of the Freedom class at Dubai Airshow:

Model on display of the SCS with SPY-1F and a heavier bow gun; verbal mention of VLS.

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Does anyone know about the new mast on this ship?
Eric

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I just received Trumpeter LCS-1 (1/350)
here are my photos (inbox)

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