The Ship Model Forum

Thanks for clarification.
Yeah, those "turrets" were like the 150mm singles on Graf Spee class pocket battleships?

Btw. how much different in appearance were german 127mm vs. US ones? Considering 1/700 scale I think one could go for US 5" brass barrels to mount on zerstorer as KM 127mm.

The German 5" guns were 5"/45s so a 5"/38 barrel wouldn't work unless you added some length to them. Might be easier to start with 54 caliber barrels and cut them shorter. Some creative use of a blast bag might be another possible solution.

German 12.7 cm/45 (5") SK C/34
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_5-45_skc34.htm

_________________
Drawing Board:
1/700 Whiff USS Leyte and escorts 1984
1/700 Whiff USN Modernized CAs 1984
1/700 Whiff ASW Showdown - FFs vs SSGN 1984

Slipway:
1/700 Whiff USN ASW Hunter Killer Group Dio 1984

Thanks Cliffy.

No problem man Let me know how you solve it when you do. I have a future project slated to need a bunch of those 5" guns.

_________________
Drawing Board:
1/700 Whiff USS Leyte and escorts 1984
1/700 Whiff USN Modernized CAs 1984
1/700 Whiff ASW Showdown - FFs vs SSGN 1984

Slipway:
1/700 Whiff USN ASW Hunter Killer Group Dio 1984

Well, like I said earlier, I have Revell Z-38, Dragon Z-39 and Trumpy Z-25, and these did not have 5" guns, right?
So, the question was for future projects.

Looking for a port side photo of Z-30 in camouflage. Have stbd side rear quarter and front quarter views. For build of Trump. 350th Z-30.

I've scoured my own references and the web to no avail.

With the recent release of the Dragon 1/700 Z-31 and Z-39, I will be revisting my old Samek Z-28 for a repaint and refurbish, using spares from the Dragon kits. My question is what colours was it camouflaged in? I'm not sure of the period but I've seen it in a two tone scheme, similar to the one in the Z-31 instructions. I'm guessing it's 51 over 50 but if anyone knows, please tell!

thanks
Mike

IMHO, 50 ( RAL 7001) and 51 ( RAL 7000) are way too low in contrast for the darker color to be 51.

My guess: RAL 7016 or RAL 7024 for the darker color, 50 for the lighter.

Hello

Do you think it possible to use the new Flyhawk set for Z25 with the Z30 of Trumpeter ?

thanks

Dom

Certainly possible for the major rails and ladders - but much will differ.

I suggest you go to the HobbySearch pages and compare the instructions for each ship:

Z-25

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10129609

Z-30

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10160642

You might also look at converting the Dragon Z-31 to the Z-30 - this looks to be relatively minor (modding the aft deckhouse, deleting the 20mm veirling, adding the flyover bridges ) . I'm debating now on this, as the Dragon kit plus some generic DKM railings would probably give a much nicer result for less $$$. I have both kits.

( Still looking for that port side camo pic !!!)

I have a question regarding all of the new Z kits both by Dragon and Trumpeter.

Dragon is offering Z-38 1944, Z-31 1943 and Z-39.
Trumpeter is offering Z-30 1942, Z-43 1944 and Z-25 1944.

Are there any kits that are almost identical after assembly and painting? Which ships are of the same class?

_________________
NIKOS (NICK)
ΜΕΓΑ ΤΟ ΤΗΣ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ
(GREAT IS THE NATION THAT MASTERS THE SEAS)

I'll take a stab I'm sure Sean Hert could give you a more definitive reply.

First, the Trump. kits:

Z-25 and Z-30 are Type 36A, Z-43 is Type 36B (Mob).

Z-25 and Z-30 have rounded bridge wings ( correct ), Z-43 also has rounded wings - incorrect, should be angular.

Z-25 and Z-30 have the correct flat funnel caps, Z-43 should probably have rounded caps like the Dragon kits - it does not.

Z-30 has a hull spray strake - this needs to be removed ( the hull is the Z-25 part.)

Z-25 and Z-43 are overall light gray.

Z-30 has a reasonably correct box painting of the starboard camo - it's a copy of a published photo; the profiles however have the starboard camo incorrect ( 2 reference photos) , and the port camo has no reference that I'm aware of - 1 photo I have shows a painted over port camo visible at the bow which does not resemble the profile - and unfortunately does not conform to the (often) practice of symmetrically painted sides.

( I'm building the Z-30 now - I'm painting ( punting ) the port side camo symmetrically which will cause the immediate release of a conflicting photo reference )

The Z-30 and Z-43 kits do have a second p.e. sheet of generic 3 bar railings.

The Trump. kits have significant variations in the weapons fit and in the superstructure, which at a cursory glance appear correct.

The Dragon kits: all Type 36A (Mob) - and are vastly superior detail wise to the Trump. kits, and appear correct in most every regard.

Z-31 has a simple 2-color symmetrical camo, Z-38 and Z-39 are overall gray. ( Z-39 was camo'd earlier in its life but this would require some weapons changes. )

Z-37 is I believe so close to Z-38 in all regards that I will chance a build OOTB as Z-37 , which has a very interesting tricolor camo.

I believe that the Dragon kits should have a representation of wooden floorboards on the bridge wings ( these were not "decks" as such but fitted removable wooden pallets - visible on some USN pics of Z-39 ) - but this is a pretty easy fix given the way the kit is engineered. This is the ONLY nit I could pick on these terrific kits. I especially like the engineering and detail of the correct angular bridge - just superior.

As I said, I'm building Z-30 and later Z-37 as I'm driven by camo, but they also represent fairly distinctly configured vessels.

I wish Dragon would release some weapons / bridge equipment / boat sets ( ala FineMolds IJN sets ) to upgrade some of the 350th competitors vessels - the Trump weapons are pretty basic. Any of the Dragon kits will provide an extra set of boats.

I thought about converting Z 25 into her a postwar Hoche: with enlarged bridge, four Bofors twins, new French radar...

Does someone know a source of photos of the French ships in the early 1950s?

I have Les escorteurs francais de l'après-guerre Tome II: les unités d'origine étrangère. Navires & Histoire Hors-série N° 05 - which is nice.

Here one page:

I would to make her in the fit depicted in the photo on the upper right site (and the drawing on the left).

_________________

Hi All,
Decided to show my 1/100 Z39 I have built for RC I have no plan so purchased the dragon 1/350 kit and also found later in the build some good photo in Model boats mag 2008,
This has been a great build as the hull and superstructure have great lines (looks awesome on the water).
Everything is scratch built ie main mast is all aluminium tube small guns are evergreen plastic and aluminium. Its a stand off model as Ive found some detail has been incorrect. The photo attached is first sailing on a fresh water lake running at cruise speed. I still have a lot to do but have done a lot more since this image and will post a further image once the rails are all on.

Try here: http://www.netmarine.net/eng/index.htm

No Hoche there, though.

Marco

Trumpeter's 1/700 Z-21 part pics released: http://www.trumpeter-china.com/a/gb2312 ... /2181.html

I heard that it should have a different hull from the current crop of Zs if it is to be accurate - can anyone tell based on the photos?

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?

I can't tell if the hull is accurately depicted to scale, but it does appear to be a different hull. The early type 1936's had a vertical bow, but the last three, including Z-21, were commissioned with the clipper bows (officially "Atlantic" bows). The design was then expanded with the 5.9" guns, so the hull was slightly enlarged, both in length and beam, to support the additional weight. As it turned out, the increase was not enough so the last ships reverted to the 5" guns even though they retained the larger hull. Also, the 1936A's and later upgrades changed the anchor arrangements, going to the deck hawses rather than the side anchors with hawspipes. Additionally, the type 1936A's (and later) had a different stern intended to improve the turning circle. The Z-21 kit hull appears to lack the notches for the deck hawses, and has the earlier stern, which is accurate. As to the dimensional difference, you can't tell that from the photos.

Hmmm, Type 36, Z-21 should be 125m lenght o.a., beam 11,m.
In 1/700 l: 178,57mm, b:15,7
the figures given on Trumpeter's website state l: 175mm, b: 17mm, a little off imo. But on the other hand the other Zs by Trumpeter are all 182mm x 17,2mm, so it seems to me they made a new hull.

Nicely done - thanks for the summary.

_________________
Martin

"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne

Ship Model Gallery

Anyone know which Grey Z-43's vertical surfaces and which Dark Grey her steel decks were in?

thanks
Mike