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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:26 am 
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Received this fine 1915 postcard showing HMS Chatham, leader of the HMS Chatham sub-class of Town class light cruisers yesterday;

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I'm looking at picking up the HP Models 1/700 HMAS Sydney for conversion to HMS Chatham, as she was during the Gallipoli Campaign overseeing the Suvla Bay landings in August 1915. Is anyone aware of any major differences between the two? I'm also looking for any photographs showing HMS Chatham during the campaign, have only found one small photo so far, here (but not available to purchase)

http://www.worldnavalships.com/chatham_class.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:26 am 
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i have two foto of chatam 1920 but they are too big for this forum, so send me your email by pm to send to you offline
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:39 pm 
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I'm a fan too :woo_hoo:
Yet I prefer the early serie with 6in. main artillery: HMS's Bristol, Glasgow, Gloucester, Liverpool and Newcastle.
A very long time a go I tried to make HMS Bristol:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=40650

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:19 pm 
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Hi,

With the recent release of the Combrig Bristol Class cruisers here are some photos of the builders model in the Science Museum in London.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:35 pm 
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Hi,

Here are photos of HMS Gloucester 1910 from the old Transport Museum in Glasgow.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:23 am 
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Thank you for the photos!

Here some additional ones of the model of Glasgow, which was shown in the Science Museum in London (before the ship department was closed :( ):
http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3626:science-museum-london-teil-3&catid=178
http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_imagebrowser&view=gallery&folder=science-museum-kreuzer&Itemid=55
(at the end of the photo gallery after other cruisers).

Are the 6 in guns on Glasgow identical with those on Sydney? The Kombrig parts are much more detailed than the HP parts...

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Hi Maxim,

HMS Glasgow is a Bristol class and HMAS Sydney is a Chatham class light cruiser. The BL 6" Mk XI was used in most of the 'Town' class cruisers; Bristol class, Weymouth class, Chatham class, Birmingham class . The Combrig 6' is the correct length but the breach is 8.6% to wide and the barrel is 52.6% to wide at the end. So it looks like a short 12" gun. Master Model SM-700-010 is the IJN 15cm 41st Year gun that is the equivalent of the 6" Mk XI. This will give you the correct barrel.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:34 am 
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Hi George,
thank you for the information and the hint with the barrels by Master! :thumbs_up_1:

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Hi George,
apparently the Birmingham class had different 6 in guns, the shorter Mk XII (L/45 instead of L/50 of the Mk XI).

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The funnels of the Bristol class were raised after the first trials. How much they were raised or to which hight?

The funnels in the Glasgow kit by Kombrig match the drawing in Friedman's book about British cruisers and many photos (and a bigger than in a photo of Newcastle during trials with short funnels). But on some photos of sister ships the funnels appear to be taller. In addition, according to a drawing of Bristol in Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921 her funnels were c. 1 m taller compared to the hight depicted in the kit.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:12 am 
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Here a German review of the Combrig kits:
http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3683:kombrig-britische-leichte-kreuzer-glasgow-und-gloucester-1700&catid=37:kom

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Hi Maxim,

The funnel height for the Combrig kit is consistent with the NMM plan of HMS Bristol. The drawings in Conway's are to small, in my opinion, to be used for comparison. Funnels were raised 6 feet, you can see the insertion in clear photos.

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That means these are the funnels when completed?

When were the funnels raised? Shortly after completion?

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The funnels as provided in the Combrig kit are the funnels as modified after trials. I have not read went this modification happened but as it is rare to find a photo with low funnels I assume very soon after trials.


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My Glasgow is still not finished, but I have finished a model of HMS Southampton (Chatham class):

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She is built using the HP Models kit of HMAS Sydney in 1/700. I replaced the 15.2 cm gun barrels with brass ones made by Master (IJN 15cm/50 (6in) 41st Year Type), the 3-pounders with PE parts by Artist Hobby, most boats by parts from Kombrig, new masts, new davits and some other parts (PE set for HMS Chester by WEM).

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4122:britischer-leichter-kreuzer-southampton-1700-hp-models-von-lars-scharff&catid=112:lars

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:52 am 
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Another Town, this time the first Town class, the Bristol class:

HMS Glasgow:

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http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4172:britischer-leichter-kreuzer-glasgow-1700-kombrig-von-lars-scharff&catid=112:lars

Glasgow was built in 1/700 from the very good Combrig kit. The main problem was the warping of the hull - which I could only fix temporarily and it bended itself back to the banana form :-? The 6 in barrels were replaced by Master IJN 15cm/50 (6in) 41st Year Type and the 4 in by ones from Aber for RN WW2 ships. One of the boats was replaced by a steam launch from the British Harbor Set by Combrig.

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This is likely not a "Town", but do you experts know which class of RN WWI Light Cruiser this photos was taken on?


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Because of the non-shielded gun, it could be a scout cruiser - if this is a 4 in gun. But how many funnels do it have? 3 or 4?

If there are 3 funnels, it could be one of the cruisers of the Pathfinder class - or, if there are cowl vents, Sentinel class. Both after rearming with 4 in guns. The cruiser appear to have camouflage, i.e. late World War 1. It could HMS Patrol - because I have not seen this kind of superstructure on the Sentinel class.

Here a photo of Patrol with fitting colours of the funnels:
http://www.subchaser.org/sc-208-miller2-07

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