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 Post subject: Re: PC Replacement
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:48 am 
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I wish that the ships would receive the SPQ-9B, however, I feel that the Navy would back it down to the TRS-3D/4D. So, here is the stick arrangement without the legs yet. The legs will come soon enough!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:57 am 
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While I had NULKA launchers custom made, I think I will be using the Veteran Model ones. However, I will be using my Mk38 Mod2s instead of the Veteran Model pieces. I just love them a LOT more :heh:

The first picture has the mast arrangement and the Veteran Models Mk38 Mod2 in the foreground and my custom resin one in the back ground. Included is also the mast arrangement. The legs are mission, but they will be included soon. I am just really considering what shape the legs should be, ie square, rectangle, triangle, etc.
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The next is a picture of my resin piece in the foreground...I like mine over the Veteran Models piece :big_grin:
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This is an over-view of the majority of the assembly.
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These are a comparison between my resin pieces and the new Veteran Models pieces.
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Like I said before, I prefer my Mk38s over the Veteran Models pieces, but the VM NULKA pieces are smaller and more accommodating than mine.

The nest step is to glue down the bitts and choks!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:19 am 
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carr wrote:
What great work. Somehow, I've missed this thread until now. Better late than never, right?

How does the RHIB get aboard? The Cyclones have a fairly large and extensive winch system to haul the RHIBs aboard. I don't see any such equipment space blocked out on your mockups.
Indeed, I have not built it yet. I am kind of dreading that part! It will be a cradle on a sled that slides about 1/2 its length to accept the boat and will then be pulled back in by a winch. The winch will be shielded from the blast of the RAM.

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This is clearly a fighting ship. Good! Have you thought about the power requirements for all those weapons and sensors as well as required heating, cooling, and utilities? Will the ship be able to generate sufficient power for everything?
Indeed, it is powered by the same power plant as the Hayabusa PGs. The only concerning thing to me is I cannot find their range! This boat will be about 1/3 longer so there is a LOT more fuel, however, I still do not know how far that takes the craft.

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What about an electro-optical sensing/targeting system for stealth operations. Some company was pushing an all passive system a few years ago. I can't recall the company or the name of the sensor off the top of my head but it seemed feasible and quite useful. I wouldn't replace the radar but a passive system would offer a lot of flexibility in tactics.
Yes, in addition to the EO/IR cameras on the Mk38 guns and the Phalanx Block 1B, the second platform on the main mast will have a dedicated EO/IR camera. I am considering a periscope poking up out of the top of the bridge.

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Have you thought about crew size and resulting hotel services? Is there room for the berthing and hotel spaces along with all the weapons, sensors, electronics, computers, magazines, etc.?
Hotel services? No, there will be no room service, nor will there be the L-shaped berthing. Standard triple high coffin lockers (racks) for 35-41 Sailors and Officers.

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SEWIP?
I don't know about SEWIP. She already has CHAFF and NULKA. I also don't think there is room nor surplus power aboard.

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Mine detection/avoidance sonar? The Cyclones had a retractable mine sonar.
Not as of now, however I will consider the sonar. I have in mind a second version of this PC(R) with an MCM focus instead of an ASuW like this one. That one will have similar modifications but a focus on the MCM amidships and on the stern. There would be a number of UUVs maintained in a module replacing the Harpoons amidships and perhaps in place of the RAM launcher.

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Want to get carried away? Helo style dipping sonar in a retractable hull mount! No, that's getting ridiculous.
Like SURTASS? Maybe, but probably not.

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Where's the sextant? You don't want to become dependent on GPS!
There will be stands on both bridge wings to quick connect and disconnect a sextant for the QMs.

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What's the deck penetration volume of the 76mm gun? Magazine size/capacity?
The loader and magazine penetrate one deck down. It will be in the 76mm SR magazine arrangement where Approximately 240 rounds for 4 different types of ammunition as of now. I don't expect more room for more, but there may be. However, I won't count on it.

Both variants will be able to support at least 6 ScanEagle and 4 Puma UAVs. With an endurance of 24+ hours, ScanEagle can reach very far but has limited capabilities. The Puma has a range of 9nm and 2 hour endurance, both with a CAT 4 laser capability, both the ScanEagle and the Puma would be able to support ASuW, MCM, ISR, and SOF operations at range.

Another concern there is SOF support ashore. One thing I am keeping in consideration is having the Phalanx being either a Block1B or a theoretical Block 1C where it has both CIWS and CRAM softwares installed. This would enable the mount to engage both types of threats, ASCM and Artillary, with a single flip of a toggle switch. The 76 has the range to support SOF inshore and Harpoon has the range to strike strategic targets inwards of 86nm.

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I love this build!!! :thumbs_up_1:
Thanks much, Bob!

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carr wrote:
The winch mechanism could be below deck with just a cable leading up to the stern through pulleys?

You obviously have something in mind that will fit so I'll have faith!
I was thinking about the winch being below deck and the cable either coming up to the main deck through some sort of gasket to keep water out or have it feed straight out into the boat cradle area, with no pulley needed. The stern might need to be a touch longer so I can put the rear barn doors on her.

Concerning the EO sensor system, that is a pretty cool model. I would love your input on what type I should use! It will be on the mast, so it will have a great view.

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carr wrote:
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The stern might need to be a touch longer so I can put the rear barn doors on her.

You'll recall that the Navy has been putting those ducktail extensions on the sterns of ships to improve fuel efficiency? Depending on how much of a "touch longer" you need, you might be able to incorporate a small deck extension built on top of the ducktail? Might gain you a couple of feet? Just thinking out loud, here.

There will indeed be a thrush in that of the Hayabusa. The barn door launchers will be there. In fact the ductail will indeed lengthen out the stern a bit! I am considering weather to include the 3rd engine into a jet drive or just have it be a generator...

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carr wrote:
I note that you're using the CIWS potty seat housing around the actual gun. I've never heard a good explanation of what purpose the seat serves. Ammo storage? Spare parts?
Potty seat lol! I love it! From a NAVSEA perspective, I don't know, however working with the Sailors, I know it is used for ammo storage, internal maintenance of the fire-control electronics in the base, and reduced RCS.

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For a smaller ship like this one, you might consider dropping the potty seat and just using the gun mount as was done in earlier times. It would save weight and space which are at a premium on smaller ships.
That is interesting! I will consider a "bucket" type arrangement like the Ambassadors have. Perhaps that will provide a few more feet between the CIWS, RAM, and the boat cradle winch mechanism.

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For example, the Egyptian Ambassador MkIII's do not use the potty seat, if I recall.

Very interesting! I will consider it, and I will build a version and see how it sits!

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After a lot of deliberation, I decided to lengthen the ship by nearly 10 meters. This gives more area for weapons and RHIB recovery equipment.

I have it blocked out. It is not glued or smoothed, but this is the idea!


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carr wrote:
Is the length to width ratio still OK?
Indeed it is! The ratio is 1:8.5. In fact, that's about the same as the Iowa-class battleships, considered to be the "perfect ratio".

I am working on the boat ramp still :heh:

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navydavesof wrote:
I am considering making a modular MCM version of this PC replacement.


So really, a replacement for the LCS in littoral waters.

Much closer to Street Fighter than our current LCS versions, and would blend well with a better FF.

The newer AFSB/T-ESBs would be a great station ship providing repair, reload, rest, and aviation support - although saving a Whidbey Island class from decom would also make a reasonable fit for that. (and the Mk VI fits inside its well deck, so the 'Littoral Control Squadron' could have them along as well...)


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So really, a replacement for the LCS in littoral waters.
Indeed. I think the aluminum hull of this class would be good for the MCM version, perhaps internally lined with a faraday cage to limit its EM signature.

I wonder if a copper faraday cage lined wooden hull would help that version of the ship. The Hayabusa-class PGs this is based on have wooden hulls. While I was in Japan, I saw the USS Avenger chopped up in a barge like junk in a giant dumpster. The hull was impressive. It must have been 4-5' thick, and it appeared to be beautiful Burch wood. Perhaps something could be done similarly for that version of the ship.

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Much closer to Street Fighter than our current LCS versions, and would blend well with a better FF.
Much closer, yes. However, a proper Street Fighter would likely have been a modern DASHII Gearing-class DD with a "heavy CIWS suite". I have been working on a version of that. In a modern version, I envision 2 versions. One is 3 Mk45 Mod4 guns (2 fwd and 1 aft) or the same positions replace with 76mm SR guns. The PDS would be 2 SeaRAM and 4 Millennium Guns. These would be split, 4 Millennium Guns slaved to 2 SeaRAM. As you can imagine, 1 SeaRAM fwd controlling a Millennium Gum port and stbd. Both stacks would be combined into one to allow more room for a helo hangar and landing pad. The hangar would be a single hangar wide enough to fit at least 1 HH-60 and a wing of Shadow and ScanEagle UAVs.

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The newer AFSB/T-ESBs would be a great station ship providing repair, reload, rest, and aviation support - although saving a Whidbey Island class from decom would also make a reasonable fit for that. (and the Mk VI fits inside its well deck, so the 'Littoral Control Squadron' could have them along as well...)
My idea is to take an LSD per squadron and make it an ESB. That would be the best. This force would consist of 6 PC(R)s and 12 RCBs. This would be a beautiful Regional Influence Squadron.

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carr wrote:
Given your layout, can the CIWS withstand the RAM exhaust/heat if the RAM launches towards the stern?

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Yes, indeed! The only way for it to impact the CIWS it to fire at a zero degree elevation directly off the stern, and due to the RHIB, it would not be able to. Any other shot would be well clear of the CIWS mount.
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It's been a while everyone! I am working on a PC-1(R) at 1/144 armed with Harpoon one, a 76mm, a CIWS, a SLQ-32, Mk38, etc.

With everything else going on, I hope to get shareable progress! Any suggestions?

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navydavesof wrote:
It's been a while everyone! I am working on a PC-1(R) at 1/144 armed with Harpoon one, a 76mm, a CIWS, a SLQ-32, Mk38, etc.

With everything else going on, I hope to get shareable progress! Any suggestions?


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