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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:18 pm 
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Ah yes, the storage box. One tends to make several items at once, partly because we can, partly as some will print better than others. I, rummaging around he house found a couple of the small divided translucent storage boxes as used by fly fishermen and started sorting the piles of small ship components that have been accumulating. As I like the 1:120 scale that I have been working with (no available components) many of these fittings will be useful for whatever the next project will be. Probably ARL 12, USS Poseidon as equipped off Okinawa in 1945.

Will Nomadic have the covered navigating bridge or not?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:29 pm 
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It should be a nice project!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Poseidon_(ARL-12)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:32 pm 
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Printing of the final front half hull today with the few modifications.

And I continued the design by starting the aft half hull in a new project on Fusion, because the program couldn't take it anymore... The rendering of the bow is not so good, it's normal because it's simplified with an STL file.

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It's almost straight, it's going fast. Tomorrow I'm really attacking the back. It will take longer.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:41 pm 
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Pascal:

Nomadic is looking good! I can well imagine that the Counter Stern will have more complex shapes. Keep up the good work!

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It's true Tom! :big_grin:

I'm working on the stern at the moment. I've just about reached what I wanted after, as always, some trial and error on this part, which is always difficult to model.

The plans of the couples that I would qualify as sketches didn't help me much, fortunately thanks to some very good photos found yesterday on Flickr, I was able to make progress on the vault that is not so easy to reproduce correctly.

It's still at the draft stage, I still have the horizontal hull lines to add to refine the curves and modifications on the shape of the frames to make. We'll let the drawing rest until tomorrow, the good night will give us some advice...

The propellers are in divergent mode, they will also have to be designed, but that will be the subject of another episode.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:21 pm 
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To complicate things, it looks as if there is a little bit of a knuckle as can be seen from the shot from dead astern. Perhaps to reduce the amount of compound curvature?

Nice work! Tom


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Redrawing the back part for 2 days is not perfect, but I stop there.

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There are some changes on this picture of the aft deck and its staircase from the main deck and the number of port to port:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:03 pm 
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Your rendering of the 3D stern certainly makes it look like a product of the Ironmongers of Belfast circa early 20 th century.


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:big_grin:


Not having a picture of the SS Nomadic's transom, I had to dig around to find out about the steering gear that was outside at the time, later removed for a smaller, more reliable system with hydraulic jacks, sheltered below deck.

I came across these diagrams while researching a steering system with its emergency steering equipment that closely resembled what was mounted by Harland & Wolff on Nomadic.

This is the system on the 1927 coaster John Oxley, which is currently being restored in Australia.

http://johnoxley.org.au/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_John_Oxley

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The system:

The steering gear is operated by a steam engine located in the wheelhouse. It drives a set of chains and bars which are connected to the quadrant. The tension of the wheelhouse is maintained by a set of springs. The quadrant is riveted to the tiller, which in turn is keyed to the rudder stock. The steering chains wrap around the periphery of the quadrant and are attached to the tiller lugs near the rudder stock.

The emergency tiller is used when the main tiller is inoperative. It consists of a left-hand and right-hand thread that drives the steering arms. Turning the wheel at the front of the unit to starboard moves the forward rudder arm forward and the aft rudder arm backward.

The connecting rods of these arms are connected to the crossbar by pins. The crossbar is attached to the rudder stock. It allows the rudder to move to a starboard helm position.

The emergency tiller is disconnected in normal operation. The pins are stored in a flat plate with three holes corresponding to the centre pin of the emergency tiller and the holes in the wings of the crossbar.

This type of steering system was created during the era of the great sailing ships in the middle of the last century (19th century). Our own James Craig, Cutty Sark and Star of India are all equipped with the same type. It is interesting to note that the entire steering unit was manufactured in Sunderland, where the James Craig was built.

The steering wheel for the emergency tiller was stolen. A donor is in the process of manufacturing a new steering wheel.

The block and hoist can be hung in the quadrant, if the two steering mechanisms above do not work, and only as a last resort.

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In fact, this kind of back-up system still exists on some small commercial vessels.

http://johnoxley.org.au/artefacts/hand-steering-system/

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Nomadic is all I have:

You can see the system on the back of the capstan.

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Today's advances, the bulwark at the stern.

It's going to go pretty fast now because most of the parts are identical to the ones at the front. All that remains is to copy and place them. The capstan will have to be drawn as well as the steering gear device.

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He was baptised.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:49 pm 
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Interesting explanation of the steering gear. I remember reading in one of my books about the Titanic steering engine etc. Was there any sort of coaming on the top of the inclined ladders (rally stairs here) leading below from the fantail? Perhaps not impossible to get pooped in a following sea in the channel waters?


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A few small progresses today in terms of details.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:09 pm 
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Pascal:

Looks very good! The plating pattern of the stern looks to be somewhat difficult from my uneducated perspective! I guess we learn from the challenges!

As to the ARL, I have seen that photo before, sometime before her arrival off Okinawa she wore this mottled pattern, maybe when she was at Guam? My 96 year old dad doesn't remember. Later she wore haze gray, what I don't know is if the mottle was in grays and blues or greens? Probably irrelevant as I will do her in gray.

Thank you for showing both the 3D design renderings and the actual item. Of course the renderings always look better than the unfinished printed item, at least in a photo, but gives people a realistic idea of what to expect!

Cheers: Tom


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Detail drawings on the aft deck.

I have retrieved the drawings of the front which is now at the same rendering level as the back.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:00 pm 
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Looks like a "Union Safety meeting" on the fantail!

Nice!


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:big_grin: Shipyard meeting ..

They are very successful, congratulations to the author and it's free. I would like to know how to do this kind of very realistic modeling.

https://grabcad.com/library/toolboxmeeting-1

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Iceman 29 wrote:
:big_grin: Shipyard meeting ..

They aren't social distancing... ;)

I love the name printed onto the hull. That looks awesome.

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Thank Martin, me too.

Propeller day today, "the test" so dreaded by any budding amateur modeller like me, especially when you have no plan but your photos, it's already not bad and better than nothing...

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This is my second propeller modeling, the first one for the T2 tanker was not perfect, just acceptable, but it allowed me to develop a relatively fast and efficient method for what we do with it at our scale and for a non-functional propeller.

I start by drawing a base profile at the root of the propeller shaft, it will serve as a reference, I incline it at about 45° from the propeller shaft, it's according to the pitch we want to give, I draw an axis perpendicular to the axis of the shaft passing through this profile it will also be my reference axis for the propeller blade. I copy the basic profile at regular intervals along this axis, here 6.

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Then I twist the 6 identical profiles by orienting them with an offset of a few degrees identical or not to each profile, we can make a linear step increase if we want to perfect the drawing. 

Once the profiles are shifted, I am lucky enough to have a front photo of the propeller in question, I put it as a transparent layer on my drawing to reproduce the shape, because all my profiles are the same size for the moment. 

You just have to increase the size of the profile on each side to reach the edge of the helix of the photo, so you always have the particular shape of each helix.   

Then I connect by a curved elastic line all the ends of the profiles, going to the last one, but not further, not like in the picture. It will be necessary to proceed differently for the blade tip, the last segment.

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On Fusion, as the profiles were not flat themselves, I had to use the Patch function to create temporary surfaces without thickness in "3D" to represent my profiles. I'm going to use it to use the LOFT.

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This is the right representation, the pale end is not yet drawn.

Here I have used the LOFT function to create my full 3D volumes.

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At the end of the blade I create a micro profile, which you won't see because it's tiny, but it's essential to create the blade tip. From this micro profile I draw two elastic lines towards the next profile, taking care that their curves are very soft and tangent to the other profiles, it is necessary to add points on the curves if necessary to perfectly adjust the edges. 

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We see here the micro profile at the end of the blade, we can make it even smaller of course so that it does not appear at the scale of the propeller.

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The loft function can then be used to finish the blade tip.

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Drawing of the propeller hub. I added a profile at the root, I was a bit short in blade length.

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Using the circular "Pattern" function to copy the blade in relation to the shaft line axis.

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The surface rendering can be further improved by adding 2 rails parallel to the blade axis, but I didn't do it. It's not necessary at this scale, it's very small and just for printing in 3D.

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Modification of the propeller pitch, installation of the aft teak deck.

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Overview, I know that some people like it.

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Pascal:

Very nice continuing progress. I am guessing that the figures were 3D scanned from real people. The available scanners are really good but not justifiable for the hobbyist.

Indeed, no coaming on the "stairs" descending into the cabin so any water sloshing on the fantail will drain below forthwith! Apparently they felt this was satisfactory for the intended mission profile!

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Yes probably, it's a barge hull if we can say so, not really made to sail at sea... I think there are scuppers at the bottom of the stairs to evacuate the rain water, otherwise...

At the beginning of the Chadburns' drawing, there were originally two. One on the bridge, and one safe, on the aft manoeuvring aft range to starboard, the latter was used in case of the probable use of the emergency steering system, on modern boats this is replaced by an intercom with a specific headset and microphone to receive and confirm the rudder angle orders to be applied. It is possible that another one was present on the port side, but I did not see it on the pictures.

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Tks to Chris for this picture.

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The engine order selector box is finished, the foot is very simple to draw now.

I have placed a virtual window on the drawing.

The offset comes from a photo quickly retrieved on the Net, it doesn't quite match. I still have to "clean" with PhotoShop this offset of the selector and its needle.

Note that the Chadburns mounted on Nomadic restored in Belfast is upside down, the Full Ahead dial must be facing forward...

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End of the drawing.

One more accessory to finish, next!

I still have the compass holder and the steering wheel to draw for this area.

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