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Caine, labeled in Wouk's book DMS 22, Which was n actuality USS Emmons, sunk after a kamikaze strike off Okinawa. Hull number applied forward, draft marks forward, props "shipyard new bronzed", SC radar added, replacing SC2 and who knows what else details have been added.

In Colour on a smokey day with interesting light, often seen in the tropics from haze.

Cheers: Tom

Tom,

The colors/numbers, etc. all work well together! The model is getting all too real - can't really tell there's smoke in the air, except for a "bright" effect in the photos - certainly doesn't take anything away from the detail of the model.

Good work, as usual!

Hank

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Hank:

This next week is the time of year that we Alaskans silently wish for some AC, but of course we can't ever be heard complaining about it being too hot. I have a house guest for a little bit so there will be some hiatus is ship development. I saw in Willie's Fletcher class build that RED provided some useful data on the size and location of the sound head. The DMS's were provided with sound heads and ASW capability, some research will be necessary to see about the external installation. Then of course there is (ugh) rigging.

Cheers: Tom

A little closer view of the Foredeck with the unusual stocked anchors and handling arrangements. However they did, as with later destroyers feature a single anchor windlass. The DMS's were mostly refitted with the light weigh 3"50's as also found on many DE's. Two objectives, reduce top weight and provide a degree of Light-Medium AA capability as Bofors were not able to be fitted due to weight. For close in capability 5 single 20 mm's were allowed. At some time the 3"50 was able to be fitted with the VT shells though I don't know the exact time. As the 40 mm Bofors was not able to be so equipped, this eventually led to the 3" weapon superseding the 40 mm to a great extent.

As newer DMS became available the four piper conversions were relegated to AG duties, towing targets, running the mail and other such general auxiliary duties. As the air threat increased near the Japan home islands they became increasingly vulnerable.

Cheers: Tom

Again the "Wah Hail" clause kicks in. The boot top was off a little on the starboard side as the round bottom ship didn't stay in position when I scribed the W/L. Not too difficult to level and clamp the ship on a flat surface using a Jorgenson Clamp. Of course I knocked off a short section of the fragile rail which needed rejuvenation.

Willie on his Cambelltown did a nice job and did the stack guys. So stack guys... I attached a piece of sprue to a very small padeye, attached that to the deck and clipped it off at the right length and attached to the padeye on the stack. You can't get these perfectly taut, but the exact amount of nearby heat will shrink them tight. I experimented and used my temp controllable wood burner tip on about setting six and closely approached with a sweeping motion. All of a sudden it will go snap!

I designed the 3" practice mount, located behind the #3 stack on the main deck, but haven't printed it yet.

Was very distracted by a guest for a few days.

Cheers: Tom

Saturday July 2, the day the declaration of independence was signed if no approved. Coaming toward the End of Caine Mutiny, Queeg is torpedoing himself in court...

A work week off from modeling with an entertaining house guest. Since, a few minor things, you can see the SC radar, the basic frame is filled in with cross bars of sprue, which is finer than what I can print. Using the actual number of bars would be too crowded of an effect, which should remain pretty translucent. Guy wires added for the stacks glued to a padeye which makes for a more secure attachment to the deck. The stacks have extremely small padeyes printed on, with holes, but beyond me to stuff something through there. Brought to final tautness by applying proximal heat with a wood burning tip. An adjustable temp soldering iron would work.

3" practice gun is printed and drying prior to curing. This goes on the main deck aft of #3 stack.

Some mods need to be done in the yardarm and gaff area.

Tom

Looking good!

Phil

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A collision at sea will ruin your entire day. Aristotle

Thanks Phil:

Sometimes I think one needs to build two models of the same ship, one after the other and incorporate lessons learned and mistakes eliminated. I since added TBS antenna, and the two mast guys which anchor on the foredeck. In respect to the principal there is no extra space on a warship, the rangefinder on the flying bridge, which is from a T-3 Tanker is a bit long (which I knew) so I am printing a smaller version with swinging clearance.

The fore guys are done with EZ line as opposed to sprue, probably more durable than sprue for this purpose.

Tom

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Amen dico tibi, hodie mecum eris in paradiso (Lk 23,43).

Some more than three decades ago I did a DE, the USS Whitehurst in her WWII rig, with only a knife, tweezers and pin vise. At 1:550 she's not huge but I've always liked her. I did only modest rigging, but hand strung lifelines using a girlfriends long hair. Surprisingly this has held up perfectly. Hard to believe the younger eyes could do all this without magnification.

Adding guy wires for the mast, printed some ringlets to use on the arms for the halyards and a new MK 56 rangefinder. Still studying to figure out what the likely guying pattern was. Again not a lot of consistency amongst the ships and rigging sometimes difficult to observe in photos.

The adventures continue!

Tom,

Looking at Navsource under the DMS page - USS LAMBERTON has a somewhat fairly good stack photo showing the attached guy wires - http://www.navsource.org/archives/11/11090212.jpg

Also, this one overhead of USS SOUTHARD - http://www.navsource.org/archives/11/11091003.jpg

That seems to be about all there was that may be somewhat helpful!!

Hank

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Thanks Hank:

Southard is one of the least converted but it's good photo. She looks more sailboat like with the spreader bars more than yards. Late in the War Herman Wouk was Southard's Exec on it's return stateside. I'm trying to use a forward port beam shot of Zane as may basic guide and attempting to make sense of it from the others, even if they differ a little. The gaff isn't well shown, Have to sort through the bunch again!

Cheers: Tom

I do pick up small details from Caine Mutiny, they took a kamikaze off Okinawa and mentioned the RED handy billies, I wondered if they were red. I think they were Kohler's. The tangle of fire hoses is mentioned. Still trying to find out where the hydrants and hose reels were. remembered a drawing, thinking maybe it was fire mains, but was fuel and feed water suctions.

Tom

Wah Hail applies to other parts of life, been smokey enough from forest fires to not be able to fly my small airplane. But did a little work on the DMS. Added guy wires and signal Halyards to the mast, removed and repainted the Kohler Handy Billy's RED. The signal Halyards are quite tedious

Going to re do the gaff and have spied a radio antenna (HF) running from the mast to the third stack and a lead running down to stack one, aft end. The insulators I used on Poseidon are a bit big at this scale so may print something smaller. Also a slack line between the boat davits. Might do some work on the bridge face, maybe. I have an extra to practice on.

Tom

Some minor progress! Halyards and standing rigging added, Long wire HF antenna, new rangefinder, Handy Billy's painted red, new gaff and upper mast platform. Halyards are a bit tedious! Ah yes, 3" practice loader just aft of stock 3.

Tom

Always something to add. Installed small ship bow numbers on the two 26' MWB's. I have a spare bridge structure and am experimenting with re facing the pilot house and bridge wings using varnish soaked bond paper, an idea I got from Wefalk. The windows are a little too tall and the bridge wings had some minor wind deflectors. Also added the line running between the MWB davits. I think by late war Caine carried one, probably due to attrition as the "Gig" was described after the kamikaze attack as singular. Without regard I have two nice 26' MWB's and will hang in there with that. Not sure yet whether of not the line running between the davits had the common knotted ropes.

Cheers: Tom

Couple of minor progress shots. One of those what's different photos.

Photo, outside of course, it's that time of year. To get depth of field without using a very small aperture and studio flashes, a technique called photo stacking is used where a number of photos are taken to cover the range of desired sharpness and combined in Photoshop. Filtration applied to the color image approximates Orthochromatic film of the WWII era.

And yes in the photo I noticed that I knocked dow some lifeline in the handling on the foredeck.

Tom

Tom,

Very nice photos of the model!!! Your photography ability really produces very nice and "time appropriate" shots which enhance the model immensely.

Hank

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Indeed!

The only thing left to do is to make a nice exhibition stand.

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Pascal

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Hank/Pascal:

Thanks for the comments. My first 3D hull unless you count the 26' MWB's and LCVP's. As you are aware out 3D program, which is good good for a great many items such as superstructure units, weapons and any sort of deck gear. However it is not good or even really considered for complex curved shaped such as a ships hull. It can be done, but certainly not possible to do surface textures as plating and rivets such as included with Pascal's fine efforts. These textures do add a lot to a model! So for myself, this, as my nearly complete 3D printed ship is a learning experience. The APA, Alaska, Missouri and the LSM all have benefitted from many 3D components, many replacing traditional parts including some commercial items.

Cheers: Tom