Who would Win early 1942

Laurence Batchelor · Post by **Laurence Batchelor** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:33 pm

Thats settled then! off the the pub for a beer

Post by **JWintjes** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:45 pm

Lozza1981 wrote:Thats settled then! off the the pub for a beer

A shooter for me please!

Jorit

Laurence Batchelor · Post by **Laurence Batchelor** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:50 pm

No probs anything you like Werner is paying!

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:59 pm

I'll have a boilermaker in honor of my son, who's studying at Purdue.

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:30 pm

Congratulations!

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:53 pm

Tracy White wrote:Congratulations!

Because he goes to school at a place that has a cocktail named after it???

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:56 pm

Because your son's going to a school that has national name recognition for more than their football team. I didn't even know Purdue had a drink named after it

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:57 pm

He's not on the football team. He is hoping to get on the precision flying team, though.

W

Tracy White · Post by **Tracy White** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:34 pm

Is that what they're calling the male cheerleaders these days?

Cool beans if he makes it; just tell him "pull the stick back and the trees get smaller; push forward they get bigger." He'll love you for it

(I'm a former mechanic married to a current mechanic)

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:44 pm

Reminds me:

Actually seen on the telemotor of USS Bronstein:

Push the handle forward and the ship will go forward.
Push the handle backward and the ship will go backward.
Push the handle sideways and you bust off the handle.

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:37 pm

A vodka with two rocks of ice for me...oops, doctor doesn't allow me to drink that!!! A fine glass of Nelson's blood then!!!

Seriously now, I guess Mr. Raven says all...it's a matter of who gets the first hit...whatever it is a lucky shot or not and that can also happen with Yamato. Even being blind (like Werners says) she can fire 300 shells and get nothing or she can fire 1 shell and get 1 hit instantly...LUCK!

Old Tin Can Man · Post by **Old Tin Can Man** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:05 pm

I'm bleary eyed after all this "what if? school of history stuff.
Might as well throw my 2 cents in.
KGV...good ship, great crew.
Bismarck...great ship...good crew.
North Carolina...great ship...green crew.
Yamoto...powerful but technologically poor ship...unproven crew.
My nod goes to KGV or Bismarck.

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:14 pm

My God... another necromanced thread....

I still have not heard anyone tell me that Yamato or Musashi wore out a set of barrels. As soon as they started the war the Japanese suffered catastrophic fuel shortages. I am sure sending the thirsty, foul-bottomed battleships out for gunfire practice was largely out of the question.

I'm certain these ships were always out of practice and defective. Perhaps that's why I cannot document a single hit of 16 inches or larger calibre by the Japanese, ever!! Precious few 14 inch hits, too.

bengtsson · Post by **bengtsson** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:16 pm

At Truk, they often were used to fuel useful warships like destroyers. Yamato was just a floating naval headquarters. As examples of modern BBs, I find then very interesting. As warships I find them to be non-entities. How they would have done against modern USN BBs is beside the point, how would they fair against several complete Carrier Air Groups was the only real question in WWII.

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:28 pm

On the basis of manpower they could have been replaced by six heavy cruisers (and there is an appropriate hole in the construction of cruisers between 1938 and 1942). I'm pretty sure that would have made a heck of a difference in the Guadalcanal campaign, aircraft carriers notwithstanding.

bengtsson · Post by **bengtsson** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:39 pm

Most any type of warship was more useful to the IJN than their two monster BBs. At least the USN BBs found a use as massive AA ships paired up with Carriers. Not the best use of money and tonage, but at least they could contribute to Carrier survivability. Yamato made a pretty expensive Kamakazi boat!

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:58 pm

Would have made an interesting difference in the war if the Japanese and USA had pursued their 25,000 ton super-heavy cruiser projects. Several Japanese 14-inch cruisers at Guadalcanal might have made quite an impression on the newly delivered (and accellerated) Alaskas there.

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:22 pm

They could have build nearly 60 escort ships with the material used in each one of them. ASW escorts were the most needed ships since the war started to its bitter end. USN submarines took out 60% of Japan's merchant navy. Without supplies they were doomed. I would bet my money to build proper escorts and make the life for submarines harder rather then building such beasts.
I am positively sure that my IJN friends are about to knock on my very door tonight for me doing such comment!!!!!!!!!!

Werner · Post by **Werner** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:27 pm

But like the USN today, ASW was not considered "manly" enough for investment. Anti commerce raiding by submarine was considered against the Bushido tradition. Yet another example of failure to see the enemy as he sees himself.

Filipe Ramires · Post by **Filipe Ramires** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:34 pm

Yes, quite true indeed. Mines and submarine warfare were ways of fighting that the Imperial Command showed little respect. But then when Marus started taking high casualties they had no other chance rather then to provide basic ASW...even thought by late war they had a respectable number of good escorts but as usual it was too late to change the tide The same goes to how they used their own submarines....i.e. to pursuit and attack the enemies combat fleets mostly. A proper line of 20 IJN submarines between Australia and Fiji Islands could have made a lot of damage.

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