tegunn wrote:Because they go zinging off into oblivion...always have a back-up..1/3 work ratio is 20 min. of work to 40 min. of searching for the work you just lost from your tweezers...so if you spent 1 year on a model, actually you spent 4 months actually building it...Jabberwock wrote:Why cut from thin plastic sheet when you have the exact thickness brass etch in front of you!
Cheers, Jabb.
Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
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- robn1
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Johndon
You have quite a task ahead if you are building three 1/200 models. One was enough for me even though I had bought a second 1/200 Missouri to build as the Wisconsin and after working on it for a month ended up donating it to a local hobby shop. I thought about the new Trumpeter Hood but then sanity returned and I said no, not again.
I spent 3 plus years building a 1/200 Missouri with the Pontos detail up set and wooden deck and the Veteran Models resin 40mm AA gun mounts and finally resorted to a black drop cloth around my modelling desk.
Small photo etch parts just evaporate when the decide to spring off the tweezers and the funny thing is you can pick up 20 parts the same with no problem but the 21st just disappears.
40 minutes vs 20 minutes is a conservative estimate and all too true.
Good luck with your build.
Lloyd
You have quite a task ahead if you are building three 1/200 models. One was enough for me even though I had bought a second 1/200 Missouri to build as the Wisconsin and after working on it for a month ended up donating it to a local hobby shop. I thought about the new Trumpeter Hood but then sanity returned and I said no, not again.
I spent 3 plus years building a 1/200 Missouri with the Pontos detail up set and wooden deck and the Veteran Models resin 40mm AA gun mounts and finally resorted to a black drop cloth around my modelling desk.
Small photo etch parts just evaporate when the decide to spring off the tweezers and the funny thing is you can pick up 20 parts the same with no problem but the 21st just disappears.
40 minutes vs 20 minutes is a conservative estimate and all too true.
Good luck with your build.
Lloyd
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Thanks Lloyd.
I'm not the most prolific of ship builders (I've only completed 4 and one of those was for a friend who'd served aboard) so I'm not concerned about how long things might take.
I am, however, aware of the need to keep making progress which is why I'm trying to ensure that I do at least something every day even if it just cutting a few parts off the sprue and preparing them. Burnout does concern me, particularly when it comes to the AA weapons so I'm hoping that my plan to break the model down in to 'mini kits' will avoid this as I won't suddenly have to make 40 20mm guns before I can continue but we shall wait and see...
John
I'm not the most prolific of ship builders (I've only completed 4 and one of those was for a friend who'd served aboard) so I'm not concerned about how long things might take.
I am, however, aware of the need to keep making progress which is why I'm trying to ensure that I do at least something every day even if it just cutting a few parts off the sprue and preparing them. Burnout does concern me, particularly when it comes to the AA weapons so I'm hoping that my plan to break the model down in to 'mini kits' will avoid this as I won't suddenly have to make 40 20mm guns before I can continue but we shall wait and see...
John
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
For picking up tiny parts I always use either a wetted cocktail stick or a wax pencil.
Tweezers will, as has already been said, launch your parts into total oblivion..
If it helps, and you do lose parts to the carpet monster, I would suggest putting a sock over the end of the vacuum nozzle, then the bits and pieces picked up will be there on the outside of the sock for you to search through.
Tweezers will, as has already been said, launch your parts into total oblivion..
If it helps, and you do lose parts to the carpet monster, I would suggest putting a sock over the end of the vacuum nozzle, then the bits and pieces picked up will be there on the outside of the sock for you to search through.
Regards
Nigel
Nigel
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Cunning plan!! Will remember that...NigelR32 wrote:
If it helps, and you do lose parts to the carpet monster, I would suggest putting a sock over the end of the vacuum nozzle, then the bits and pieces picked up will be there on the outside of the sock for you to search through.
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Any more updates? Thanks.
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Plugging away at the three main turrets will post some pics once I get to the AA tubs on turrets 2 & 3.
John
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Johndon
Haven't heard from you in a bit, are you chained to the modeling desk locked in a dark room?
Lloyd
Haven't heard from you in a bit, are you chained to the modeling desk locked in a dark room?
Lloyd
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
I wish, work has got in the way as has the realisation that I really need to get a display case before I do much more otherwise dust is going to become an issue.BBlover wrote:Haven't heard from you in a bit, are you chained to the modeling desk locked in a dark room?
John
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Here's a simple case I built from pine and 5mm glass. It isn't pretty but does the job for less than Cdn$200, heavy though.
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... qyxswi.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... trgek3.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... byjof7.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... xw6r4x.jpg
There are also some pics of the completed Missouri
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... xvloyw.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... 4sz9rq.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... wifv1z.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... wxlhk6.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... 04moyu.jpg
If the Mosquito and Helicopter pics show up ignore them as I can't seem to change the picture order in Photobucket.
BTW this is the way the Missouri appeared on Navy Day in New York around Oct 15, 1945 when President Truman visited. On the way home from the Pacific the hull was re-painted overall 5N Blue and the decks were holy stoned back to natural from the 20-B Blue used during the war and the tops of the 5" turrets were re-painted back to light gray. She doesn't have the huge "MISSOURI" sign painted both sides of the hull amidships and that's because I know which ship it is and it's an ugly sign. (about 10' tall letters and at least 75' long) Otherwise the 20mm guns and tubs abreast "B" turret should have been removed on the way home but I couldn't figure out how to do that without messing up the Pontos wooden deck so I left them.
The Trumpeter 1/200 USS Missouri with the Pontos detail-up set, the Pontos teak deck and the Veteran Models resin 40mm mounts (which are little jewels)
Lloyd
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... qyxswi.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... trgek3.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... byjof7.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... xw6r4x.jpg
There are also some pics of the completed Missouri
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... xvloyw.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... 4sz9rq.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... wifv1z.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... wxlhk6.jpg
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s66 ... 04moyu.jpg
If the Mosquito and Helicopter pics show up ignore them as I can't seem to change the picture order in Photobucket.
BTW this is the way the Missouri appeared on Navy Day in New York around Oct 15, 1945 when President Truman visited. On the way home from the Pacific the hull was re-painted overall 5N Blue and the decks were holy stoned back to natural from the 20-B Blue used during the war and the tops of the 5" turrets were re-painted back to light gray. She doesn't have the huge "MISSOURI" sign painted both sides of the hull amidships and that's because I know which ship it is and it's an ugly sign. (about 10' tall letters and at least 75' long) Otherwise the 20mm guns and tubs abreast "B" turret should have been removed on the way home but I couldn't figure out how to do that without messing up the Pontos wooden deck so I left them.
The Trumpeter 1/200 USS Missouri with the Pontos detail-up set, the Pontos teak deck and the Veteran Models resin 40mm mounts (which are little jewels)
Lloyd
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Well, four years after I started building it, turret 1 is finally complete and has a coat of primer.� Some refinement needed, especially the blast bags but at least it's progress.�

I know the purists will hate this but I'm going for a clean detailed build over accuracy so she'll be in Measure 32 but with the teak deck (purely because I prefer the teak deck to the blue one)...

I know the purists will hate this but I'm going for a clean detailed build over accuracy so she'll be in Measure 32 but with the teak deck (purely because I prefer the teak deck to the blue one)...
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Slow and steady wins the race!johndon wrote:Well, four years after I started building it, turret 1 is finally complete and has a coat of primer.�
Martin
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Thanks Martin, hopefully it won't be another 4 years to get turret 2 done 
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Sine the last pic, I've refined the ends of the blast bags where they meet the retaining rings with Mr Surfacer 1000 and turret 1 now has it's camo colours on. I know that the colours used for Measure 32 changed over time, the parts of the turrets that were black/blue also changed and that the turret top should probably be deck blue but I quite like it in black and, as I've already said, as I'm going to be keeping the teak deck I may keep the turret top to in black. I'll give the blast bags a paint with a slightly different shade of black (the turret it Tamiya Nato Black so I'll probably go flat black for the bags)




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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
That's some very crisp work. I didn't realize she was black - I thought she was Navy Blue.
Martin
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Thanks Martin. As I understand it, �dull� black was used before blue.
John
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Sorry if I gave you the wrong info.
The turret tops should be deck blue.
The sides would be dull black, the tops and decks of everything will be deck blue.
James
The turret tops should be deck blue.
The sides would be dull black, the tops and decks of everything will be deck blue.
James
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
No, that was my mistake, you have been very helpful - I'll be respraying the turret top.
As it happens, I found a photo in Sumrall's book last night that illustrates this perfectly.
Thanks
John
As it happens, I found a photo in Sumrall's book last night that illustrates this perfectly.
Thanks
John
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
Turret 1 has had it's roof changed to blue and you can see the difference to the black on the front (I need to go back over with grey to get rid of the overspray).
I've used Tamiya XF17 Sea Blue although I don't know if it is blue enough?

I've also been working on turret 3 and the 40mm tub on it's roof. The ammo racks are complete but this has absolutely kicked my butt tonight...
The racks in the corner have only one 'support' piece to get the height and that is right in the corner so trying to keep them level is all but impossible. I've ended up cutting some pieces of 1mm * .25 mm strip to the walls to give the racks something to rest on. I hope that they will just about disappear once painted. I'll probably now do the same for the other gun tubs but cut the strips to match the length of the brass pieces to make them less obvious.
40mm gun is standard Trumpeter for now but will either get the Pontos treatment or I'm considering the Veteran 40mm guns.

John
I've used Tamiya XF17 Sea Blue although I don't know if it is blue enough?

I've also been working on turret 3 and the 40mm tub on it's roof. The ammo racks are complete but this has absolutely kicked my butt tonight...
The racks in the corner have only one 'support' piece to get the height and that is right in the corner so trying to keep them level is all but impossible. I've ended up cutting some pieces of 1mm * .25 mm strip to the walls to give the racks something to rest on. I hope that they will just about disappear once painted. I'll probably now do the same for the other gun tubs but cut the strips to match the length of the brass pieces to make them less obvious.
40mm gun is standard Trumpeter for now but will either get the Pontos treatment or I'm considering the Veteran 40mm guns.

John
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Re: Trumpeter 1/200 USS Iowa
XF-17 is more of an aircraft color, for example the upper blue for the observation plane. For deck blue, at least in my estimation, XF-50 Field Blue seems to work better; even then, you might want to cut it with a bit of white.
Some other folks here might have better suggestions.
Some other folks here might have better suggestions.
Sean Nash, ACG (aircraft camo gestapo)
On the ways:
1/200 Trumpeter HMS Nelson
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In the stash:
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1/350 Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-10
On the ways:
1/200 Trumpeter HMS Nelson
1/700 Tamiya USS Yorktown CV-5
In the stash:
1/35 Italiari PT-109
1/35 Tamiya "Pibber" Patrol Boat
1/350 Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-10