At 'Em Arizona Fans!

[OS1880]

I have some water taken from the harbor at the site. Does that count too.

[Tracy White]

I think the oil is an interesting question; it was collected by a Navy diver and friend of mine, who helped with some of the surveys of her wreck. The water I have no problem with; it washes in and out every tide and I REALLY doubt that any of it that's there now was in the harbor when the attack took place.

The oil, however, came from Arizona. It was pumped into her and bleeds out of her, but at the same time, it also washes away or evaporates, so I don't have anything that would subtract from her wreck in any way. I am planning on putting a clause in my will the next time it's updated to have it and the associated paperwork donated to this organization if anything happens to me, at least.

[dsk]

I would think that any reasonable man would make a distinction betwen scooping up a cup of water or oily blob from around the memorial, and actually taking a physical piece of the wreckage itself. Apparently the Navy and Park Service agrees, because diving on the wreck or otherwise disturbing it isn't allowed, nor is the public granted access to the remains at Wiapio Point. As for the oil, the debate over collecting and/or containing it from an environmental standpoint goes on anyway, so I'm sure that the notion of possessing a sample is subject to one's own opinion as well. I remember when the corporation that managed to obtain salvage rights to the Titanic brought some of the coal up from the ocean floor and sold various sized chunks of it openly on the market in little souvenir boxes. I personally thought it was disgusting, but apparently many people disagreed because it was a hot seller in the gift shop outside the last Titanic artifacts exhibit I went to. And yes, I'm probably just as guilty for actually paying them to go there and look at everything.

[Bondoman]

Stilwell stock ticker: down to $ 550.00 on Amazon and $ 816.75 on Alibris. If this trend continues I'll issue a Bondo "buy" recommendation soon!

A couple years back there was a walk through by a bunch of architects including me of an empty space that the exhibit had been in, in prep for a new restaurant. Great big empty series of rooms, all painted white up to waist level and what I suppose was "White Star Buff" or some such above. Kind of figured if I coulda found a five gallon pail of that I coulda made the cave really sharp looking.

[Bondoman]

Here's a site I found that you all may be familiar with.
http://azmemory.lib.az.us/cdm4/results. ... OSTART=1,1
It certainly broadened my appreciation, brought the ship "back to life" in a way.

[dsk]

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before. I sure hope somebody goes and tries to save the Arizona debris on Wiapio before it all rusts away into oblivion.

[dsk]

Stilwell stock ticker: down to $ 550.00 on Amazon and $ 816.75 on Alibris. If this trend continues I'll issue a Bondo "buy" recommendation soon!

Good. Once it's back down below $80 where it belongs I might consider finally picking up a copy.

[BFR4570]

Here's a site I found that you all may be familiar with.
http://azmemory.lib.az.us/cdm4/results. ... OSTART=1,1
It certainly broadened my appreciation, brought the ship "back to life" in a way.

Thanks Bondoman! I hadn't seen this site either.

[dbmoens]

I hope it was someone here just snapped up a copy of Stillwell for 99.99 on eBay. I was away and didn't get a chance to bid.

[amdaylight]

I hope it was someone here just snapped up a copy of Stillwell for 99.99 on eBay. I was away and didn't get a chance to bid.

Me too

Andre

[dsk]

Strange, I've been checking eBay regularly and didn't even see it!

[GreyGhost]

I hope it was someone here just snapped up a copy of Stillwell for 99.99 on eBay. I was away and didn't get a chance to bid.

Well that would have been me. I almost didn't bid but I've been wanting the book to help with my 1/200 build once I start it so I went for it. I suppose $99 isn't too bad of a price considering.

Neil

[Tim Reynaga]

Greetings,

IF you can find a copy of Stillwell's book on the Arizona, on page 373 is a deck plan for the casements showing the internal bulk heads. Just as a thought are you building it as if it was firing the guns, as if it was under way or as if it was anchored because it was under way and not firing those guns there would have be canvas or metal shutters closing off the casements to view. Again if you look on page 110 you will see a fairly good photo of the shutters in place and on page 130 you will see a good photo of one of the shutters and the canvas curtain for "normal operations" rolled up. On page 190 is a good photo of the Arizona under way with the curtains in place, from the photos it looks like when they were in port like San Pedro the rolled the curtains up to get better ventilation to those spaces.

Andre

Doh! Thanks Andre, I do have a copy of the Stillwell book; the drawing you referenced is perfect, answers my dumb question! I had forgotten about that drawing. I bought the book for $40 on Amazon back in October... kinda thought the prices might go crazy after the kit was released so I bought it early. Still can't decide whether those casemates were linoleum or planked; I made deck coverings from sheet plastic to cover the molded planking there but haven't attached them yet until I decide. Probably when I actually glue them down some definitive evidence for the contrarty view will surface...always seems to be the way! At the moment it seems more logical to me that these wholly interior decks would not have been planked. Holystoning them would have been a real pain!

[Bondoman]

Good price indeed. As of tonight Amazon is at 400.
You might get the price down for us yet.

[Bob Dedmon]

shoot, at those kind of prices I'm tempted to put my copy up there.

[dsk]

Probably when I actually glue them down some definitive evidence for the contrary view will surface...always seems to be the way!

Count on it. I'm betting that the 5-D/5-S issue will finally be resolved just as soon as my model is painted and complete, and it will be the wrong way.

By the way, something I've discovered works really well for filling tiny voids and unwanted seams is Bondo glazing & spot putty, available from any auto parts store. It's a thinner consistency than hobby putty so it's easy to spread with a razor blade, and also very easy to sand afterwards.

[Steve Sobieralski]

Andre[/quote]
At the moment it seems more logical to me that these wholly interior decks would not have been planked. Holystoning them would have been a real pain![/quote]

The drawings of the ship prepared by the Park Service in 1984, which are also in the Stillwell book, indicate that the deck may have been planked in these areas. The plan view shows three sections on the port side, between the funnel opening and the ship's side, where the silt was apparently cleared away to expose the wood deck. If you plot these onto a plan of the ship's upper deck they fall inside the casemates. As this area was originally planked weather deck prior to the 1929-1930 refit, it is not far-fetched to think that the wood deck could have been retained when the area was enclosed, as was done on the USS Texas. Holystoning, which mainly removes the raising of the wood grain and discoloration from exposure to the sun and weather, would not have been required once the deck was enclosed.

[JCRAY]

I would be inclined to chalk up that drawing to "artistic interpretation". just a thought.

[Steve Sobieralski]

I would be inclined to chalk up that drawing to "artistic interpretation". just a thought.

The drawings were produced from a measured archeological survey undertaken to determine the state of the ship as she existed at that time. I believe the drawings were prepared to show, as accurately as possible, the appearance of the ship.

[Steve Sobieralski]

This was an underwater archeological survey. The survey was performed by divers. The artist's job was to draw what the diver's notes, photographs and verbal descriptions told him was there. The whole point of the execise was to document, as accurately as possible, the state and appearance of the ship.