dsk wrote:Here are a couple of pictures to share with everybody. They were brought to my attention by Jon, and were published in the "Nautical Research Journal Summer 2008, Volume 53" and "Pearl Harbor- The Way It Was". They were supposedly taken from the National Archives so hopefully they're okay to post here. If not then mods please remove.
The first picture is of the Arizona in August 1941 at Pearl, and clearly shows that the radar platform had not yet been installed on the foretop, and the range clocks still appear to be in place. The second photo was taken two months later on October 13th, and while the image is more grainy it appears the radar platform is there and the range clocks are gone. According to Stillwell's book the Arizona went into drydock from September 15-19th, so I am guessing the changes were made at that time.
I really hope some better pictures still exist from late 1941 and will soon be found, but in the meantime at least these answer a couple of questions for modelers.
dsk,
Great pics! You can tell she is a darker color on the hull and some of the upper works.
OOps, I missed Bruce's post. Yes, Steve's correct, they were still there; you can see them in high-rez images of the wreck immediately afterwards if you know what to look for.
Had too much time on my hands the other night so I decided to redo the top of the main mast. I used pics taken post attack on that day as reference as I'm not sure which were opened pre attack, if any. I think that it makes the top look more interesting. I also filled in the various holes for those supports that stick out the sides as the kit locations look wrong when comparing to pictures. What do you guys think?
Also extended the tripod legs into the top. Going by the pics (pages 108 &109 of Stillwells book) of the reconstruction in the early thirties I figured that they might be noticeable and it also fills in a open area.
I made a new set of mushroom vents a couple of months ago. My first attempt is on the right. I cut off the lower portion of the kitp part and made a new base bu gluing four peices if 1/8" square rod together, cutting to lenght and then sanding to get a more accurate look. I made the second mushroom vent using 1/4" round tubeing and building a new base just as I did on the first one. I then chucked it in a electric drill and sanded the top part as the diameter of the vent isn't as wide at the top as it is where it makes that funny transition from round to square at the bottom. I may have sanded too much off. If you are confused by what I just typed, don't worry, it has me confused also.
Here's the Nov 41 pic. If there are any problems with me showing it, I'll remove it. BTW, I lightened the image with Photshop so that more detail could be seen . It also appears that maybe there two rafts on the side of No 2turret barbette. A smaller one inside of a larger one.
I just discovered something else that needs to be modeled. The slop chute on the port side that goes from the catwalk down the hull to the waterline. It is readily visible in the January '41 picture in Stillwell's book, and a hi-res version of the August '41 image shows it as well. Apparently that's the slop chute that ended up on the Oklahoma's bow when she and the Arizona collided. Question is, can anyone determine if there was a slop chute on the starboard side as well? The 1980's drawings of the wreck seem to indicate there is what's left of one on the starboard side, but I can't be sure.
1) Please remember to keep the "work in progress" posts to a minimum in these CASF threads, especially if you are linking to an outside photo host and not uploading the photos here. Eventually, those photos seem to go away, leaving essentially a dead post. Also, the more WIP posts, the longer and more cumbersome these threads get. That being said, if you have a specific question, go ahead an post your photo and question here. Also feel free to link to your WIP thread when there is an update.
2) I've culled all the BB-38 related info I could find and moved it into it's own "Calling All Pennsylvania Fan" thread, which can be found here. Please post BB-38 specific questions and comments there. With the Dragon 1/350 model lurking on the horizon, I figured now was a good a time as any to give Pennsy her own thread. Plus, I posted a bunch of photos I scanned at NARA there today. Go check it out.
Martin
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne
No problem martin I was thinking of doing just that. Do you think it would be better if we all put our WIP in one thread or each do his own thread? I'm open to both possibilities.
dsk, there is also some object that you see that is mounted just aft of the slop chute but before the break in the deck on the port side. Not sure if it is also related to trash disposal for let's say for example a garbage scow that pulls up along side the ship. Look in Stillwells book as you can find it in alot of the pics from the 30's and also in the Aug and Oct 41 pics I posted above.
Jon C Ryckert wrote:No problem martin I was thinking of doing just that. Do you think it would be better if we all put our WIP in one thread or each do his own thread? I'm open to both possibilities.
I think a 200th scale AZ WIP thread would be awesome - this way you could keep it all in one spot. If you guys want to do that, I can create it by merging the existing WIP photos into it. Just let me know.
Martin
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne
MartinJQuinn wrote:I think a 200th scale AZ WIP thread would be awesome - this way you could keep it all in one spot. If you guys want to do that, I can create it by merging the existing WIP photos into it. Just let me know.
Isn't that what the "Unboxing Arizona" thread in the Main forum is all about? To be honest I'm having trouble deciding which is the better thread to post in. I've been trying to ask Arizona-specific questions here, and comments about the model itself in UA, but it's hard to stick to that formula when the comments wander back and forth.
Jon, to be honest the pictures in Stillwell's book are starting to confuse the hell out of me. So many objects on the ship are playing "now you see me, now you don't" that I honestly can't tell if it's because the pictures are out of chronological order, or if some items were removed and/or stowed at different times or when at sea. The slop chute is definitely there each time the ship is anchored, but on a couple of the "at sea" pics it's missing. Yet apparently it was in place when the Arizona was at sea the night she got smacked into by the Oklahoma.
MartinJQuinn wrote:I think a 200th scale AZ WIP thread would be awesome - this way you could keep it all in one spot. If you guys want to do that, I can create it by merging the existing WIP photos into it. Just let me know.
Isn't that what the "Unboxing Arizona" thread in the Main forum is all about? To be honest I'm having trouble deciding which is the better thread to post in. I've been trying to ask Arizona-specific questions here, and comments about the model itself in UA, but it's hard to stick to that formula when the comments wander back and forth.
I can make that the thread for WIP progress. I've been wanted to cull some of the info that should be here from there, so maybe now is the time to do that.
Martin
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." John Wayne
MartinJQuinn wrote:I think a 200th scale AZ WIP thread would be awesome - this way you could keep it all in one spot. If you guys want to do that, I can create it by merging the existing WIP photos into it. Just let me know.
Isn't that what the "Unboxing Arizona" thread in the Main forum is all about? To be honest I'm having trouble deciding which is the better thread to post in. I've been trying to ask Arizona-specific questions here, and comments about the model itself in UA, but it's hard to stick to that formula when the comments wander back and forth.
Jon, to be honest the pictures in Stillwell's book are starting to confuse the hell out of me. So many objects on the ship are playing "now you see me, now you don't" that I honestly can't tell if it's because the pictures are out of chronological order, or if some items were removed and/or stowed at different times or when at sea. The slop chute is definitely there each time the ship is anchored, but on a couple of the "at sea" pics it's missing. Yet apparently it was in place when the Arizona was at sea the night she got smacked into by the Oklahoma.
I'm all for it Martin. I always thought that the Unboxing Arizona thread was just more or less something to show someone interested in buying the kit a chance to see what they were getting.
dsk, I know what you mean about things appearing and disappearing. i wish I had an answer for you but at times I am left scratching my head too when it comes to figuring out what should and should not be there at a certain times.
Hi guys, something I noticed in Stillwell's book. On the title page, look at the external fuel line, it runs parallel to the lower row of portholes until it reaches the seventh porthole back from the bow and
then turns up towards the old casemate position and continues to just above the rear anchor position. You can see it on page 124 as well. Yet, on pages 212-213 the fuel line angles down to the
torpedo bulge and ends near the front of the bulge. The first photo was taken in the early 1930's the second photo isn't dated.
