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Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by maxim » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:47 am

I have seen three Roman ships:

Rome Warship (1)
Rome Warship (2)
Rome Trireme

but especially the first two look not very Roman, more Hollywood-like.

Which Greek ships are announced?

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Nino » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:44 pm

Those 1/700 models are really cool! Love the Turtle. Thanks for the link. I had not heard of Artist hobby before.

I've done eBay links on various forums as "Proof of Life" for pictures of kits or parts. I had not listed links with the intent of advertising.

Nino

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by callen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:33 pm

Gentlemen, for your consideration:

http://artisthobby.net/en/product_list2.asp?class=14

Also, Ebay is showing some Roman and Greek stuff by the same company. Is there a rule against ebay links for MW? I can't remember.

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Nino » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:06 pm

Looks like we can add a few Plastic Viking warships to the list if we can call then Ancient. I listed these in order of scale. The primary manufacturer name is followed by the names of other manufactures who re-released/Re-boxed or copied the kit.

Viking Ghost Ship 1/40? Revell. ( I only saw the box) Likely the same as the Revell Viking Ship.

Viking Ship 1/50 Revell (Great model. Seems accurate to the Museum ships)

Viking Drakkar Oseberg 1/60 Heller

Viking Leif Eriksson + Reine Mathhilde anniversary edition 1/60 Heller

Guillaume Le Conquerant 1/60 Heller ( Supposed to be a ship of William the Conqueror but looks like Viking)

Viking Reine Mathhilde 1/60 Heller

Viking Ship 1/60 BUM (copy of Heller?) I have only seen the box art

Viking Ship 1/64 Aurora, Atlantis, Smer, Modelist. ( Original OEM may be Merit)

Viking Gokstad 1/72 Emhar (Best of the bunch)

Viking Ship 1/90 (Closer to 1/144) IMAI, ERTL, Academy. 6.75" long

Viking Drakkar Oseberg 1/180 Heller (also probably Smer, Mistercraft) about 5" long

Viking Ship 1/250? Lindberg ( also released as the "Mother of Pearl" Viking Ship)

Viking ship 1/240-1/400 Glencoe ( ITC) 3.5"long



Note: The Lindberg and Glencoe/ITC kits could be the same. I have both but I did not break the Lindberg factory seal yet.

I will gladly edit the list and add/correct appropriate details to each entry from any new posts regarding Corrections,Quality, and availability. Please add pictures if you built'em!

Thanks, And Happy New Year to all you forum members.

Nino.

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Nino » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:28 pm

JWintjes wrote:Ok, let's see how far we can get. What I want to try is to collect all information available on plastic kits of ancient warships out there. Not that there are many of them.

First off, a list of kits with short notes; longer reviews further below:

Academy

Greek Warship - 1/72 (also sold as 1/200) - well-engineered kit, good hull, very poor oarage, old Imai?
Roman Warship - 1/72 (also sold as 1/200) - well-engineered kit, good hull, very poor oarage, old Imai?

Aurora

Bireme - ?Scale? - no info

Heller

Bireme Imperator - 1/72 - excellent kit with good detail apparently well researched; hull considerably too short, though
Bireme Imperator - 1/225 - no info

Pyro

Roman Merchant Ship - no scale given, perhaps about 1/200 - smallish Pyro kit with some toylike features; still fairly good representation of a Roman corbita

Zvezda

Greek Trireme - 1/72 - well-engineered kit, but very inaccurate; probably rather 1/100
Roman Trireme - 1/72 - basically the same as the Greek Trireme
Roman Imperial Trireme - 1/72 - basically the same as the Greek Trireme
Carthaginian Warship - 1/72 - basically the same as the Greek Trireme

If you have any info on any of these kits or know of other kits of ancient warships, post it below, I'll then add it to the list.

Jorit
I had posted some things over at FSM relating to Roman Warships and I remembered this post and thought I would add to it as you suggested.

So, if you want to try your hand at a plastic Roman Warship the following kits may be available:

Academy 1/250 (actually 1/72ish) (IMAI mold 13.3" long)
Academy 1/72 (IMAI mold 13.3" long) Same as above.

Aoshima no scale listed (1/144 to 1/250) (IMAI mold 6 �� long)

Aurora 1/80 Roman Bireme 11 1/4" long

B.U.M 1/72 (Barcelona Universal Models) ) (see "Edit" below)

ERTL 1/45 (actually 1/72ish) ( IMAI mold 13.3" long )

ERTL 1/90 ( possibly 1/144 to 1/250) (IMAI mold) 6 �" long

Heller 1/75

Heller 1/225 7.4� long

IMAI no scale listed 1/72ish 13.3� long

IMAI no scale listed ( 1/144 to 1/250 suggested) 6 � � long

Minicraft 1/72ish (IMAI mold 13.3� long)

Modelist 1/72ish (copy of IMAI.)

Zvezda 1/72 (Carthaginian , Greek, Roman)

Nino.

Edit: The BUM (Barcelona Universal Models) version I had believed to be an Aurora copy but box art could depict an IMAI mold. I am hoping to see the parts someday and will update this post accordingly.

Note also that IMAI made a Greek Warship in 1/72 and 1/250ish which was also sold by ERTL, Academy, and Aoshima.

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Guest » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:54 am

Story wrote:
carr wrote:That is some impressive and intricate internal framing. Outstanding. Can't wait to see more. :thumbs_up_1:
What Carr said.
Story,

Thanks for the message, not done too much more as I was recently given the opportunity to "retire" ... Will be back on it in the next month or so ...

Regards, Max

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Story » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:18 pm

carr wrote:That is some impressive and intricate internal framing. Outstanding. Can't wait to see more. :thumbs_up_1:
What Carr said.

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by ModelMonkey » Wed May 10, 2017 8:07 pm

Brilliant!

Makes me imagine Charlton Heston sitting in there.

"We keep you alive to serve this ship."

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Admiral John Byng » Wed May 10, 2017 3:38 pm

That looks fantastic!

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Hondamax » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:59 pm

Thanks, I need to get some paint in there before I do too much more ...

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by carr » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:50 pm

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Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Hondamax » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:32 pm

Nino,

Here are a few further pictures ...
Attachments
Joining the hull sections
Joining the hull sections
All the hull elements together
All the hull elements together
To create an impression of the internal structure
To create an impression of the internal structure
Trying to make it feel like a structure
Trying to make it feel like a structure
Added framing for the Thalamian seats
Added framing for the Thalamian seats
Thalamian seats added, just trying to give an impression
Thalamian seats added, just trying to give an impression

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Guest » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:17 am

Thanks for that link, hadn't seen those before. I'm still in a quandary whether to crew it or have it empty. I've already got six boxes of these ...http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/review.aspx?id=288, although the Shapeways ones might be better (easier material to clean up), although I'd need to remove their ankle fetters, however I'd need 170 of them which would get expensive ...!

The hull has gone together well (superglued butt joints), but because of the way I cut the hull sections, the joins aren't all in the same place. I'll get some more pictures today.

Regards,

Max

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Story » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:51 pm

Hondamax wrote: I've attached some pictures ... let me know if anyone is interested and I'll add some more.
Interested in how you'll splice those hull halves.

Also, for what it's worth there's 72nd scale locomotion available
http://www.shapeways.com/product/TEBC47 ... rive-set-1

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Hondamax » Tue Dec 27, 2016 9:06 am

Apologies for bringing this thread back to life, let me know if I should go elsewhere, please. I am in the middle of creating a Greek Trireme using two Zvezda kits. As noted by previous posters the kit isn't accurate for what it is purported to be, so I did some research and extrapolation using Conway's The Age of the Galley, Welsh's Building the Trireme, Morrison's and Wilsons' Greek and Roman Oared Warships 399-30 B.C. and some information from the Trireme Trust website.

I came to 2 conclusions: 1) As kitted the Zvezda Greek Trireme would be well on its way to being a Trihemiola, and would only need a bit of work; 2) With some (a lot of) work, one could create the basis of a "proper" Trireme from the Zvezda Greek Trireme by using two hulls.

What I've done is create a 1/72 scale plan using the Coates outlines from the Trireme Trust website and various books, and then cut up two Zvezda hulls to give me the basic hull. I've attached some pictures ... let me know if anyone is interested and I'll add some more.
Attachments
The plan (2 x A3) overlapped
The plan (2 x A3) overlapped
Showing the kit, just cut, and then cut down, with the new Thalamian oar ports drilled
Showing the kit, just cut, and then cut down, with the new Thalamian oar ports drilled
Showing where I've created some plank seams and wood texture where the kit didn't have it
Showing where I've created some plank seams and wood texture where the kit didn't have it
Adding some framing detail
Adding some framing detail

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by ssculptor » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:57 am

JWintjes wrote:Ok, let's see how far we can get. What I want to try is to collect all information available on plastic kits of ancient warships out there. Not that there are many of them.

First off, a list of kits with short notes; longer reviews further below:

Academy

Greek Warship - 1/72 (also sold as 1/200) - well-engineered kit, good hull, very poor oarage, old Imai?
Roman Warship - 1/72 (also sold as 1/200) - well-engineered kit, good hull, very poor oarage, old Imai?

Aurora

Bireme - ?Scale? - no info

Heller

Bireme Imperator - 1/72 - excellent kit with good detail apparently well researched; hull considerably too short, though
Bireme Imperator - 1/225 - no info

Pyro

Roman Merchant Ship - no scale given, perhaps about 1/200 - smallish Pyro kit with some toylike features; still fairly good representation of a Roman corbita

Zvezda

Greek Trireme - 1/72 - well-engineered kit, but very inaccurate; probably rather 1/100
Roman Trireme - 1/72 - basically the same as the Greek Trireme
Roman Imperial Trireme - 1/72 - basically the same as the Greek Trireme
Carthaginian Warship - 1/72 - basically the same as the Greek Trireme

If you have any info on any of these kits or know of other kits of ancient warships, post it below, I'll then add it to the list.

Jorit
I'd like to add my favorite old ship model kit, the Imai kit #B-295 Catalan ship model. This kit has long been out of production. It is a model of the 15th Century votive model that was hanging in a church in Spain.
For a discussion and build of this model kit refer to
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_su ... 60320.aspx
Ships of the 12th to 15th century are one of my favorite topics.
ssculptor

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by GTDEATH13 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:26 am

Here is a model in 1:8 scale of the ship in the above video:

http://www.naftotopos.gr/index.php?opti ... 28&lang=el

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Charlestonguy » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:20 pm

cool video on Greek warship Argo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_0bwC7Hi8

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by SvenLittkowski » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:00 pm

An old subject, but if anyone is interested in assistance for developing ancient ships, I can help you. I am since 25 years in the field of maritime archeology.

Re: Calling all ancient warships fans

by Charlestonguy » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:56 pm

I just saw the latest update and, again, I'm blown away by the craftmanship. Absolutely outstanding! :thumbs_up_1: I can't wait to see more.

Agree great work and thanks for posting the build process! :thumbs_up_1:

There may not be any Greek Triremes around but they have found Roman period ships wreaks. Here is a link to a Punic build ship found a few years ago.

http://www.mmdtkw.org/CNAf0319MarsalaPunicWarship.jpg

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