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by **Bayuro** » Wed Dec 17, 2025 7:39 am

TZoli wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:19 pm Might help?
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/from-exi ... 959/152521

Cool! Thanks TZoli

by **TZoli** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:19 pm

Might help?
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/from-exi ... 959/152521

by **Dan K** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 11:14 am

You're welcome. I've never seen a photo of Yukikaze in repatriation fit from overhead. Looking at the available photos, I doubt that the temporary housing structures were much wider than the turrets/ TT mounts/ regular superstructures. FWIW.

by **Bayuro** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:00 am

As usual thank you Dan for your efforts but unfortunately we're still clueless what is Yukikaze repatriation ship looks like from top angle. I guess I have to speculate how wide are those box structures added.

by **Bayuro** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:49 am

Dan K wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:39 am If those are not quite what you want, then there is this:

Your pic got a better angle compare to the ones I've seen from the net.

by **Bayuro** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:38 am

Dan K wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:36 amTry this

Yes I've seen this before. I think the first one is Yukikaze after her repatriation duty. The second one is Dan Yang retaining some Japanese weapons and the third is Dan Yang with American weapons am I right?

by **Dan K** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:39 am

If those are not quite what you want, then there is this:

by **Dan K** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:36 am

Try this

by **Bayuro** » Tue Dec 16, 2025 3:28 am

Oh another one Dan, I also wondering do you have some line drawings of IJN Yukikaze during her repatriation duties? I'll attempt to make one on that configuration. I currently have a duplicate Aoshima Yukikaze and a Pit-road Yukikaze with plenty of extra decals including she used during her repatriation duty. The only ones I see from the internet is one b&w picture of it's starboard side and it's hard to eyeball it.

by **Bayuro** » Sat Oct 04, 2025 5:27 pm

Dan K wrote:A good question with no good answer. There is no single guide to the vents on the DDs (or any other class of ship) that I am aware of. A combination of plans and photos is the only way to determine what went where. And, there were additional vents/intakes on some bulkheads.

That said, the Gran Prix Shuppan volume on on IJN DDs illustrates four different types for DDs, but no sizing is included.

Thank you for your effort to answer my question Dan. I guess I have to dig more somewhere else. Maybe 1/350 scale instructions from hobbysearch might help. The details of the 1/700 scale kits are very vague so 3D printing technology is really Godsend.

by **Dan K** » Sat Oct 04, 2025 10:29 am

A good question with no good answer. There is no single guide to the vents on the DDs (or any other class of ship) that I am aware of. A combination of plans and photos is the only way to determine what went where. And, there were additional vents/intakes on some bulkheads.

That said, the Gran Prix Shuppan volume on on IJN DDs illustrates four different types for DDs, but no sizing is included.

by **Bayuro** » Sat Oct 04, 2025 12:47 am

Hello Dan K, I'm just wondering do you have a diagram or something similar that shows the types of vents on IJN destroyers? I just bought the 1/700 Waterline series Ten-go set which includes 3 Kagero class, 2 Akizuki class Hatsushimo, Asashimo and Kasumi destroyers. I'm trying to research about it so I can replace it with 3D prints, maybe from Five-star/Hobby Seed, Rainbow or YX models in the future. Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

by **Dan K** » Fri May 19, 2023 1:55 pm

Do you know anything about this, and why some look to have a cover (or have a cover in actuality) and some just show the exposed cables with brackets attached directly over the cables?

Well, I'm aware of the practice, but I'm not sure why a box cover was used in some circumstances, and not in others. I suspect that the idea was to provide some protection against sea action, weather, and possibly shell splinters. I think that as the war dragged on, and material shortages loomed, there was less of an inclination to use the enclosure.

This is not a certainty. There are photos of various DDs early in the war either without a cover, or showing a mix of cable in which some, but not all, is exposed. Like the one of Asashio below.

The same is true for larger vessels.

by **MatthewB** » Thu May 18, 2023 3:06 pm

Dan K wrote:
I am NOT going to �count any more rivets� on this issue
I'll bet. Should I hold my breath on this?

Factually, there appear to be 3 bands of plating, BUT the waterline divides the bottom band in half. So, technically, there are two and a half bands above the waterline mark. See below.

The actual end point of Yukikaze's stern in the photo below is just a few feet further to the right and out of view.

Akishimo is a following Yugumo class ship, but the hulls are essentially the same, save for the inclined stern of the Yugumo type. It's pretty clear.

I just noticed something about Degaussing Cables in the first photo:

: Shiranuhi in Maizuru Drydock, 9-1942

The Degaussing Cable here looks to have a �cover� of some sort over it.

While I have seen other photos where the cables are exposed (even on the little Sub-Chasers I am now trying to re-build after a catastrophe with the maid and then flooding � Ironic that ships would be harmed by flooding, even if just models), I have noticed on IJN and Allied Ships that some have what appears to be a cover over the DeGaussing Cable.

Do you know anything about this, and why some look to have a cover (or have a cover in actuality) and some just show the exposed cables with brackets attached directly over the cables?

MB

by **ParisT** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:38 am

Dan K wrote:
I am NOT going to �count any more rivets� on this issue

I'll bet. Should I hold my breath on this?

Dan ... I would NOT place my bet on that ... but I have all the good intention to at least try ...

Now ... seriously Sir ... THANK YOU!!! This is exactly what I needed. The 3rd photo is new to me!!! Everything is clear!!!

Wishing you a great weekend.

Regards

Paris

by **Dan K** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:26 am

I am NOT going to �count any more rivets� on this issue

I'll bet. Should I hold my breath on this?

Factually, there appear to be 3 bands of plating, BUT the waterline divides the bottom band in half. So, technically, there are two and a half bands above the waterline mark. See below.

The actual end point of Yukikaze's stern in the photo below is just a few feet further to the right and out of view.

Akishimo is a following Yugumo class ship, but the hulls are essentially the same, save for the inclined stern of the Yugumo type. It's pretty clear.

by **ParisT** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:42 am

Dear All

Continuing my research on Yukikaze and before I take my sanding sticks and my strips of Tamiya 0,1mm Plastic Paper to replicate the alternating longitudinal bands to replicate the hull plating, I have to ask my last (?) question of this issue.

I have as my guide Kagero�s Publications 3D plans for IJN Kagero plus photos of the new Pit-Road / Flyhawk 1/700 Yukikaze. They both clearly depict on the ship�s stern, 3 rows of longitudinal bands replicating hull plating above waterline. On the other hand my 1/350 Tamiya kit has 2 rows of longitudinal bands replicating hull plating above waterline.

Dan � any thoughts, Sir?

I can�t make my mind studying photos of the real vessel. Sometimes I �see� 3 rows and other times I �see� 2 rows�

In the end I will choose a path and stick to it� The only reason I make this question is to make sure that there is nothing major I am missing on the ship�s history.

I am NOT going to �count any more rivets� on this issue, but if you have any thoughts on this, I would be grateful to read them.

Thank you All and be safe.

Paris

by **ijnfleetadmiral** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:32 am

Dan K wrote:These two attachments should help.

Wow...those are officially the third and fourth pics of Natsushio I've ever seen.

by **Dan K** » Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:48 pm

While the record on the Funnel Bands might be incomplete, and that of the Administrative Hiragana (or is it Katakana?) not firmly adhered to, where might I find that which we do know (and that which is suspected, and so on) of each?

AFAIK, no one has ever fully documented the funnel band changes. I certainly haven't. Too much is unknown.

at least 3 or 4 different degaussing patterns

That we know of. The photo record is woefully incomplete. There aren't even photos of all 19 Kageros. So, the same hurdle remains for the tertiary piping, though there are more commissioning/trials photos of the ships. I think that at least 12 Kageros have photos that can ID this arrangement on funnel #1.

by **MatthewB** » Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:37 pm

Dan K wrote:To answer your questions, Matt:

Yes, they were structurally identical, and yes, any of the Pit-Road kits should work, as long as they are early war fits.

Yard color could be used to differentiate them to some extent, but not for very long. Paint fades quickly.

The funnel band record is incomplete, so that may or may not be helpful. Plus, each ship in the division would likely have a single hiragana symbol painted on (usually) #1 funnel denoting administrative position. But, we can't confirm that this practice was firmly adhered to.

The yard colors do fade quickly, but the paints they used have different chemicals which produce a slightly different weathering coloration due to the seawater (the chlorine in the salt tends to like a lot of the pigments in the different Greys of each yard, and will produce greenish, blackish, or whitish colorations along with the typical buildup of salt, wear on the paint, and chips/nicks/etc. And the different colors will likely occur more dominantly in the yard colors that were either Lighter or more �bluish�). But overall they would help to at least produce a base to work from.

As for Funnel Bands & Administrative Markings for Divisions/Squadrons�

While the record on the Funnel Bands might be incomplete, and that of the Administrative Hiragana (or is it Katakana?) not firmly adhered to, where might I find that which we do know (and that which is suspected, and so on) of each?

Dan K wrote:Degaussing patterns varied between ships but, again, the record is very incomplete as to which vessel carried which pattern.

I saw the comments on these, where you said there were at least 3 or 4 different degaussing patterns.

Dan K wrote:Also, the tertiary piping on # 1 funnel leading to the steam whistles varied a lot between ships. Again, the record is incomplete on these.

HTH, Dan

What record does exist?

MB

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