1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

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Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by Timmy C » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:22 pm

The "proper" way to do these kinds of rails is to drill a bunch of holes, or to drill a whole for the first and last stanchion and cutting those a bit longer than the rest so they can go into the hole.

Personally I would start with white glue to position the rails before finishing with CA.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Fri Jul 28, 2023 1:30 am

I am in need of some advice. I have been working on adding the PE railings from the Pontos set to the turrets. In past projects, the PE railings I�ve used have a �bottom rail� that actually sits on the deck. This makes it a lot easier to glue down. The railings I�m using here are different - they only have the upright posts to attach the railing to the turret. Since this is not a very large surface, I�ve been having a hard time getting them to stick. I�ve tried both thin and thick CA glue, with or without accelerator, and the results are hit-or-miss. I have ended up re-gluing the small railings on the turrets multiple times. Is there a better way to do this?
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The small rails at the edge of the 46cm turret are visible here.
The small rails at the edge of the 46cm turret are visible here.
The primed 15.5 cm turret with the hand rails in question.
The primed 15.5 cm turret with the hand rails in question.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by marijn van gils » Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:42 am

Very nice detailing work! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by Edoardo81 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:11 am

Uao good progresses
You are showing great abilities in building!

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:41 am

I�ve been working on the main 46cm turrets lately. The kit parts unfortunately required a lot of reworking. I started by removing some molded-on details, such as ladders and the rectangles the represent the ammunition boxes. I ended up removing the molded detail of the front face of the turret as well, as the Pontos blast bags would not fit on it. After a lot of sanding and filling, I added various aftermarket parts. The rangefinder openings needed a lot of work in particular. This was re-formed with strip styrene. I just re-primed what I have so far, and after fixing the errors, I can move on to adding the railings and painting it.
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The kit turret.
The kit turret.
Unwanted molded detail removed.
Unwanted molded detail removed.
The rangefinder openings were molded as a protrusion, which is the opposite of the correct appearance.  I tried simply sitting the hole out carefully, but I couldn�t get it to look straight and square.  Therefore I hollowed out that piece and re-faced it with strip styrene so it would look better.
The rangefinder openings were molded as a protrusion, which is the opposite of the correct appearance. I tried simply sitting the hole out carefully, but I couldn�t get it to look straight and square. Therefore I hollowed out that piece and re-faced it with strip styrene so it would look better.
Way better than my freehand cutting.
Way better than my freehand cutting.
Some aftermarket parts I got manufactured by �YX Model,� which high is a manufacturer I�ve never heard of before.  The parts are really nice and detailed.
Some aftermarket parts I got manufactured by �YX Model,� which high is a manufacturer I�ve never heard of before. The parts are really nice and detailed.
The details added with attachments for the blast bags I made using strip styrene.
The details added with attachments for the blast bags I made using strip styrene.
What I have so far.  After fixing a few things, I will be able to add the photoetch details.
What I have so far. After fixing a few things, I will be able to add the photoetch details.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:05 am

Pavel,

I�ll do my best to answer your questions. First, I have to recommend a couple references to you:
�Anatomy of the Ship: Battleships Yamato and Musashi� by Jamie�s Skulski and Stefan Draminski
�Super Illustration - Imperial Japanese Battleship Yamato� published by ModelArt
Although I have other references, these two are invaluable for this build.

1. The focsle appears to have plates of diamond tread where the seams between them are covered by flat strips of steel. Since the piece I had does not have the junction strips, what you see in the picture is my clumsy attempt to simulate this (see illustration below).

2. There do indeed appear to be two types of the type 94 rangefinders. As far as I can tell, the forward pair have hoods over the protruding rangefinder, and the aft two do not. The explanation in the book is that the forward pair were subject to blast damage, so they were covered (also see picture below)

3. I can only find the 3-shutter AA directors in the 1944 and 1945 versions of Yamato. I don�t have any references that have a 2-shutter version.

I hope this helps. By the way, I looked at your gallery, and your work is great. I can�t wait to see your Yamato when it�s done.
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My primary references
My primary references
An illustration showing some of the strips between the diamond plate that I�m trying to simulate.
An illustration showing some of the strips between the diamond plate that I�m trying to simulate.
The type 94 range finders.  The hooded version (on the left) appear to be the forward pair, and the non-hooded (on the right) were positioned aft.
The type 94 range finders. The hooded version (on the left) appear to be the forward pair, and the non-hooded (on the right) were positioned aft.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by pascalemod » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:47 am

You are doing wonderful work. True inspiration for my 1/700 job I started on. Your posts are very helpful also on details youre fixing.

Can you elaborate on the focsle plating youve added? The diamond plate is covered in styrene, why is that?

And couple of questions as you have access to the book.

1) wonder about Type 94 rangefinders (there should be 4 - 2 forward and 2 back of the smoke stack). Can you clarify if they are identical or there should be some difference in their appearance as sources for 1944 show them different and 1945- same.

2) on AA tripple mount directors (ones with 3 shutters) - are they always 3? Or in earlier versions like 1944 there were 2 shutters? (not to be confused with single shutter ones). I am considering to backdate my Yamato to 1944 and this bit leaves me puzzled on directors and rangefinders.

The black deck looks super btw, glad you went for that look!

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:52 am

A quick update - the 15.5 cm turrets are built, minus the guns themselves. I�m going to paint the barrels and blast bags separately for ease of masking. Next up will be to build the big 46cm gun turrets.
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Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by Edoardo81 » Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:27 am

Wow the details are awesome!!!

I don't know why but I think I'll keep the Yamato for last ship to build. It seems to me very difficult to build

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:26 am

The 15.5cm turrets are up next. There�s a lot of little detail that can be added to the kit here. I started with the tripods on each turret. According to Anatomy of the Ship and the Pontos kit, they are different: the forward turret has an isosceles shape tripod and the aft one has a more equilateral shape. The holes in the kit pieces are wrong for this, so I filled and re-drilled them. Putting together the Pontos details, I mounted them on the turrets.

The rear of the forward turret has a small platform on it. Interestingly, this isn�t in any of the PE sets I have, so I scratch built this.
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The kit part with the holes for the tripod is the wrong positions.
The kit part with the holes for the tripod is the wrong positions.
The Anatomy of the Ship reference drawing for the forward turret.
The Anatomy of the Ship reference drawing for the forward turret.
The turrets with their tripods glued on
The turrets with their tripods glued on
Drawing of the rear platform in the Super Illustration book.
Drawing of the rear platform in the Super Illustration book.
My version.
My version.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:35 am

I�ve been working on the 12.7cm guns, both the enclosed and open mounts. There wasn�t much to add to the enclosed mounts. The open mounts, on the other hand, are extremely detailed. I used the Pontos resin structures and brass barrels, with the photo-etched pieces. I really have to hand it to Pontos - the detail is amazing. I�ve included a picture of one of the mounts with an xacto knife blade in the picture to illustrate this.
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Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by MartinJQuinn » Thu May 11, 2023 10:12 am

I like what you've done with the deck. Looks better a bit scuffed up.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by Edoardo81 » Thu May 11, 2023 2:01 am

You're doing a really amazing work! :lol_3:
Addons plus scratch builder! Top :thumbs_up_1:

Yamato will my last warship I'll do in my plans because I consider it the most difficult, and you confirm it seeing your images!
Follow with interest!!

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Tue May 09, 2023 12:08 am

After a long absence, I have resumed work on the Yamato. Life intervenes in my hobby time sometimes, as I�m sure everybody has experienced. I was look at where to pick up, and I�ll realized that the black deck I had just put on looked too perfect. I experimented with a few of the scrap pieces of the deck, and decided to try sanding some of the black ink off to give it a more uneven or weathered look. I�d be curious to know what people think of the result. Does it need more taken off? Should I leave it alone? Or is the effect not at all what I was going for?
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The original deck color
The original deck color
With some sanding
With some sanding
A closer view
A closer view

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:32 am

Over the last couple weeks the forward segment of the deck was glued in place and the deck and superstructure were primed and painted. I decided to do this before adding all the superstructure detail because I planned to add a wooden deck, and I was afraid of knocking a lot of small details off. In retrospect I think this was the right call.

I used the Artwox wooden deck. Since I�m trying to model the ship in its final configuration, I chose the blackened deck. It is very uniform in color, so I think some weathering will be needed. A lot of minor trimming was required to get a good fit. I like the overall look, however. It�s looking more like a ship!
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Based on some advice I�ve read on this forum, I sprayed the adhesive side of the deck with a clear flat coat.  I used a diluted white glue to attach it to the plastic deck.  This allows test-fitting and adjusting.  This technique has saved me a lot of headache.
Based on some advice I�ve read on this forum, I sprayed the adhesive side of the deck with a clear flat coat. I used a diluted white glue to attach it to the plastic deck. This allows test-fitting and adjusting. This technique has saved me a lot of headache.
Here�s the forward segment of the ship after being primed and painted.
Here�s the forward segment of the ship after being primed and painted.
And this is the same section with the wooden deck glued on.  Personally, I think it�s worth the effort.
And this is the same section with the wooden deck glued on. Personally, I think it�s worth the effort.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:36 pm

Dan K - Thanks for the encouragement.

Chuck - thank you as well. You�re right about the ladder to the platform - I found a drawing in the Super Illustration book that shows a ladder and I added one (see below). Also, I think I figured out why some models have the platforms lower. Looking through Super Illustration and Anatomy of the Ship books, I�ve found that they were lower in 1941, but were moved by 1945 to the higher position. Since I�m wanting to model the ship in its final configuration, the higher position is correct.

I need some advice from you guys. Should I finish the details on the superstructure (railings, etc) and paint it before putting the wooden deck on, or should I put the deck on now to avoid damaging details and mask it with tape when painting the superstructure? I�m open to suggestions.
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Here�s the ladder to the platform in the Super Illustration book.
Here�s the ladder to the platform in the Super Illustration book.
Here it is on the ship.
Here it is on the ship.
This is the Anatomy of the Ship book�s illustration the the tower in 1941, showing the platforms in the lower position.
This is the Anatomy of the Ship book�s illustration the the tower in 1941, showing the platforms in the lower position.
And here�s Super Illustration�s 1941 drawing.
And here�s Super Illustration�s 1941 drawing.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by Chuck Bauer » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:22 am

I agree. Very nice work going on here.

Those platforms are a neat find.
Kind of odd though; seems like there should be a ladder or steps to get up onto them.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by Dan K » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:53 am

She's coming along very nicely.

Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:28 am

There�s a few small additions. I�m coming to the end of the bridge tower construction. At this point, I think it�s time to prime and paint it. I was able to finish off the range finder�s radar. There�s a lot of small details that go into this structure. I am leaving off the gun and searchlight directors and the searchlights for the moment to make painting easier. I�ll paint them separately and add them later.
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The radar has been added.  It�s ready to prime and paint.
The radar has been added. It�s ready to prime and paint.
My reference photos show these rounded platforms mounted with their �floors� at the railing level, instead of at the same level as the deck, as the instructions from Pontos say.  I tried to recreate that.
My reference photos show these rounded platforms mounted with their �floors� at the railing level, instead of at the same level as the deck, as the instructions from Pontos say. I tried to recreate that.
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The aerials and anemometers have been added, as well as some filling and sanding after the first priming.
The aerials and anemometers have been added, as well as some filling and sanding after the first priming.
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Re: 1:350 Tamiya Yamato (Old Version)

by DMC » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:35 am

I�ve been plugging away at the bridge tower. The ladders and platforms have been added to the rear of t structure, and a few smaller details have been added. The rangefinders have been completed except for the radars. It�s slowly taking shape.
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There are right angle conduit pipes where some of the rigging aerials attach to that some out of the tower.  I used some very fine round styrene to try to recreate these.
There are right angle conduit pipes where some of the rigging aerials attach to that some out of the tower. I used some very fine round styrene to try to recreate these.
I drilled some holes and glued them in place
I drilled some holes and glued them in place
The aft rangefinder completed but not painted.
The aft rangefinder completed but not painted.
The bottom part of the main rangefinder
The bottom part of the main rangefinder
The top portion of the rangefinder
The top portion of the rangefinder
The aft side of the tower, showing the ladders and platforms added.
The aft side of the tower, showing the ladders and platforms added.
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