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Does anyone know if there are any photographs of Yorktown in the Atlantic during 1941 except for the aerial shot taken at Norfolk in September, 1941?

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Hi guys,

Still working on the c. 1940 Yorktown. I have a question about the boats that were hung under the flight deck over hang amidships. I have attached a section of the Yorktown class Booklet of General Plans showing the ones I’m talking about. If I understand the drawings correctly, the boats are basically suspended beneath the decks by two block and tackles (red ellipses) per boat.

My question is were they secured by other cables/ropes to prevent them from swinging and bumping into things or were the attaching block and tackle arrangements short enough to allow them to swing while preventing them from bumping into things?

TIA and happy modeling.

Mark B.

Hope this helps.

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Very much so. Thanks Steve. I did not have a good picture of these boats in any of my references and I could not find any on the internets. Where did this come from?

I have one more question, I noticed that the BOGP lists these boats as 30' - 0" sailing whale boat. Are they truly unpowered or did they have a motor?

Thanks again,
Mark B.

Hi Mark,

The photo comes from the National Archives, catalog number 80-G-63560.

The boats in the photo appear to have props but I could be wrong.

Here's another photo showing the configuration of the straps securing the boats.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks Steve.

It helps a lot. I was wondering where they would be positioned in relation to the small deck behind them. Above or below. The picture shows the tops of the boats about in the middle of the chain rails with the bottoms of the hulls just below the deck plate.

It will also give me a use for some of the PE fret frames I have been hording from other builds.

Have a great weekend,
Mark B.

Mark,

Those small boats are probably 26' Motor Whaleboats - a typical small boat carried on almost all WWll classes of ships. Here is a detailed photos of the typ. davit block setup for those boats:

Here is a 26' MWB on davits with covered steel blocks as opposed to the wooden blocks that were common in WWII era:

This photo is from the 1960s era aboard a FLETCHER class DD.

Referring back to your original drawing, I think I would go with (2) dbl wooden blocks for each davit as shown in my first photo. Steve's last photo showing the diagonal bracing is also typ. of the type of tie-downs that were common for those boats in davits.

Hope this helps,

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Finished:
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BB62vet, is not using davits but block & tackle from the overhead i-beams forming the bottom of the gallery deck as those boats not the bigger ones are suspended past the ship's hull sides. could be using ropes, block & tackle or wooden boat booms to prevent the boats from swinging sideways. have a look at this picture to see what I am talking about.

I'm quite aware that the boats are suspended by block & tackle from the overhead I beams. I simply posted those photos to show the DETAILS OF THE BLOCK & TACKLE used in a typical 26' MWB stowage situation.
The diagonal tie-downs that are shown in Model Monkey's last photo are the usual method for securing those small boats in their stowed positions.

But of course, I could have predicted that the forum troll would have something to complain about.

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Thanks for the pictures and verifying the use of the two tie downs BB62vet. I'm not so much worried about the block and tackles so much. They will be very small in 1/487 but your picture shows I guessed correctly about placing an engine box amidships on them.

But this does raise another question in my mind, would the boats be pulled into contact with the platform deck plate by the straps?

Thanks again
Mark B.

why would it be pulled in?

Mark,

Refer again to Model Monkey's last photo - if you look real close at the boat's orientation, you'll see that they are slightly pulled in towards the exterior bulkhead of the ship (thus showing the edge of the port side of the boat). That's the effect of the lateral tie-downs. I don't think that the boat keel would be in contact with the deck plates. I'm certainly a novice when it comes to carriers, but small boats of that period were all stowed in similar fashion, whether from davits or overhead tackle (as in this case). I've tried to find photos of this area of WWII era carriers where the boats were stowed but without success.

Hope this helps!

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Good Day BB62vet,

This helps a lot. I was trying to envision how these boats were secured to keep them from banging into the deck, railings or even the side of the hull in rough weather. I know even big ships can get pretty rambunctious in a strong storm. But what you say makes sense. The straps would pull down against the over head davits and keep the boats from moving side to side or up and down.

Yeah I've not had much luck finding pictures of this area either. Most of the ones I've found were taken too far away to even see the davits and or rigging.

Thanks again
Mark B.