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What is that very large object at the aft end of the aft deckhouse?

Hi there,

Sorry but it is not clear to me what you are refering to.
If you mean the big boxes on the structure, they are ammo boxes for the AA gun.
If you mean the lattice boxes at the very aft peak, they are depth charge racks.
Could you please mark in the picture what you are talking about ?
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And here are a couple of views of everything that has been constructed up to this moment. All the big elements minus masts and flying bridge are already present.
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I hope you like them. All critics are of course more than welcome.
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Willie, Thats a very nice build, looking forward to more. :wave_1: :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1: :woo_hoo: :woo_hoo:

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My mistake, I meant to say the very large item at the FORE end of the aft deckhouse, port side. It looks somthing like a reel, or drum.
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My mistake, I meant to say the very large item at the FORE end of the aft deckhouse, port side. It looks somthing like a reel, or drum.

Aha, clear enough now : It is a compass house.
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Willie, Shes looking fantastic! It will almost be a shame to put any paint on her and cover up your beautiful scratchbuilding!

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Dear Willie,
It cannot be a compass house can it.
May I suggest that it is the crews shelter for the 12pdr gun. A framework made of steel pipe covered with canvas. The framework would be square or rectangular in plan view shape.
The aft steering position with the compass and binnacle you have already fitted a few feet away on the starboard side.
If you REMOVE the structure and replace as above and leave the aft end compleatly open, that should be good.
If however you feel that you are correct, then please come back to me with the references that you have.


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My mistake, I meant to say the very large item at the FORE end of the aft deckhouse, port side. It looks somthing like a reel, or drum.


Aha, clear enough now : It is a compass house.
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Dear Willie,
It cannot be a compass house can it.
May I suggest that it is the crews shelter for the 12pdr gun. A framework made of steel pipe covered with canvas. The framework would be square or rectangular in plan view shape.


Well, I have never been onboard a flushdecker in action :eyebrows: , so I took the info from AOTS HMS Campbeltown, and according to it, it is a compass house.
The pipe/canvas framework was actually on the other side, and I have done it with thicker stretched sprue. Maybe it is not so apparent in the pics.
The compass house could be where I placed it :
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HMS Campbeltown had it on the fantail structure.I have also noticed that -- surprisingly enough -- they can be of different sizes as well !!!

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The aft steering position with the compass and binnacle you have already fitted a few feet away on the starboard side.

Actually they were there where I have placed them, not in the centerline as you suggest. This tip can be observed in any plan of these ships.
I hope it was of some help. BTW, are you building the same ship ?
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Your response actually made me look up a few things.

One; I do not have the book that you refer to.

Two; You are modelling the ship as she appeared following the early war modifications.

Three; I believe that there are NO plans in the book that show the ship in this configeration. Am I correct?

Four; I believe that there is only ONE photo extant showing her with this early fit.

Five Does the photo show the large item in question?

Six; Your model appears to show the placement of the aft steering position just OFF the centerline on the starboard side.
It should be on the centerline.

Seven; Is it possible to let me see the photo of the ship in her early war appearence?

Eight; Was the ship fitted with 4" or 5" guns?

Last point, I am not building a model of this class, and I hope you don't mind these questions.
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wr wrote:
You are modelling the ship as she appeared following the early war modifications.

More or less. I would say refit stage 2, with the AA gun aft.

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I believe that there are NO plans in the book that show the ship in this configeration. Am I correct?.

If for plans you mean blueprints, there is none, but the schemes Al Ross provides are clear enough.

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I believe that there is only ONE photo extant showing her with this early fit. Does the photo show the large item in question?

Honestly, I don´t know what pic you are refering to.
As for the compass house, my assuming is that this ship was not an isolated case, and that many ships were equiped alike, so I simply used the book AOTS by Al Ross (an excellent book, in my opinion ) and some pics I gathered in the net, along with some sent by model collectors. If after his extensive research Al Ross says HMS Campbeltown was fitted with it, I have no reason to doubt him. As far as now, all the photographic evidence I know has suported him.

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Your model appears to show the placement of the aft steering position just OFF the centerline on the starboard side.
It should be on the centerline.

WR, you are but very right !!! After double checking, yuo are right. I probably overlooked it the first time, and from then on I simply took it for granted :cry_3:. Quite stupid on my behalf, as the holes are there in the very same model. :crazy:
This is the good thing of this excellent forum -- there is always somebody to help you.

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Was the ship fitted with 4" or 5" guns?.

4in./50 mk.12 ( =102 mm. -- just in case you are European or south American.)
I don´t know if you have noticed it : The loading practice gun does not match the 4in gun -- it is actually a 5in ( Breech is quite diffrent !!! ). The thing is that I have not been able to find a pic of the practice 4in.

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Last point, I am not building a model of this class, and I hope you don't mind these questions.

At all. You are more than welcome.
Very best regards,

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THank you for your reply.
To go over this carefully.
There is NO SUCH thing as a compass house on the aft deckhouse. I believe that Ross is incorrect on this matter. What would it contain? It cannot have a compass as this is already shown on the centerline!
As built, the radio cabin was fitted inside the aft deckhouse on the portside at the fore end. The aerial trunk came up through the deck at this location and had a steel circular saftey shield around it. THis is what I now believe you have shown.
THere is ONLY ONE PHOTO (that I know of) that shows the early mods to the ship, and that one photo is not a very good one. Certainly nowhere near good enough to produce a set pf plans from.
The photo in question I believe appears in the book ' Town CLass Destroyers'. Perhaps somebody could help out with this.
After the ship's second refit, (the one where the aft funnel was cut down), The mainmast would have been removed, which means that the aerial trunk and shield would also have been removed. The long wire aerials would then have been attached to a small spreader fitted further foreward.
On the aft deckhouse the ammunition lockers, of which I believe there should be only two, not three, must be placed hard by the rails to allow clearence for working the 12pdr. AS you have them, they will interfere with this function. You will need one or two washdeck lockers, these also will need to be positioned by the rails, one port and one starboard. Add a small locker for rags, known as a rag locker, about half the size of the ammunition lockers.
A question if I may, do you intend to fit a mainmast?
My reason for these notes and questions is to try and help you to produce a better product, nothing more.
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WOW, That´s an answer !!!!!! :big_eyes: Much to discuss .
Would you mind to go on with this discussion off forum ? If you don´t want to show your e-mail address, mine is williembaz@yahoo.es.
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For reasons that others will tell you about, I do not know my E Mail address at this time.
I am going to ask that you give your postal address on this board, and I will then send you something in the mail.
To discuss the matter in words over the internet is really impossible as it is far too complicated.
Please try and get hold of the photo that I mentioned earlier. Without this you are going nowhere.
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Wr, thanks for your prompt answer !!!
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For reasons that others will tell you about, I do not know my E Mail address at this time.

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I am going to ask that you give your postal address on this board, and I will then send you something in the mail.

With pleasure :

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Please let me know in which way I could reciprocate your kindness.
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To discuss the matter in words over the internet is really impossible as it is far too complicated.

But it is the cheapest way, so far :lol_pound: . As far as now, I have found your views and your explanations very clear and illustrating -- you look like a really very knowledgeable modeller.
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Please try and get hold of the photo that I mentioned earlier. Without this you are going nowhere.

I wish I knew what pic you are talking about. I will search the net.
Thanks again (and also in advance) for your help, and very best regards from Spain,

Willie.

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For reasons that others will tell you about, I do not know my E Mail address at this time.


Mr Raven, your email address is probably something @optonline.net If that doesn't ring a bell, then give me a call. If the tech people that hookup up your new internet set it up for you, then I might be able to help you get to it. Just give me a call when you are at your computer and I will try to walk you thru it.

I can be reached at work m-f until 4:30 central time at 800-821-3136 or after 6 pm at 816-930-2023. Just ask for Timothy Dike.

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Post a request for the photo in question in the main forum, and do the same thing on Steel Navy.
Be specific.
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Post a request for the photo in question in the main forum, and do the same thing on Steel Navy.Be specific.


Done.
Thanks again for your interest and advice.
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The windbreakers for the bridge windows had a very easy solution : they were made with thin chips of Evergreen bar, cut to the right size and glued together to thin strips of styrene.
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I hope you like them.
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Dear Willie,
May I suggust that you do NO MORE work until you receive the information that is in the mail.
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