Just to give you an update on the Norwegian AEGIS frigate program, those are a couple pictures of KNM Otto Sverdrup fitting out in Ferrol, Spain.
She is the third one, with KNM Fridtjof Nansen and KNM Roald Amundsen already delivered, and the fourth one, KNM Helge Ingstad launched a couple weeks ago.
Enjoy.
I will miss you Werner. Fair winds and following seas.
Interesting vessel. I note that the full load displacment of the class is 5130tons which is substantially heavier than the RNs Type 23s., more like a DDG than a Frigate. The displacement of the new generation of FFs and FFGs is rising . The De Zeven Provincien class are over 6000tons . So when does an FF become a DDG?
Dave Wooley
Hmm, the second navy officials noticed someone enthousiastically wrote down "DD-1" as a classification, it was changed back to "frigate". Can't have destroyers, politically speaking. Same reasons we'll have some hefty corvettes.
Yeah, those 'small' OPV's we're going to get are heavier then an M-class frigate, I heard. Royal Dutch Navy: a proud tradition of fooling Parliament. (and occasionally themselves)
If all else fails, a complete pig-headed refusal to see facts in the face will see us through. - General Melchett
Foeth wrote:Hmm, the second navy officials noticed someone enthousiastically wrote down "DD-1" as a classification, it was changed back to "frigate". Can't have destroyers, politically speaking. Same reasons we'll have some hefty corvettes.
Let's be as innocuous as possible and call everything "safety keeping looking around boats".
Looking at this (with some basic assumptions on weapons and sensors) makes me think it is what the LCS should be rather than some fancy gas guzzeling stealth yacht.
Seems like the europeans are launching some nice surface combatants while us here in the states are stuck with nifty computer images of wonder weapons.
If Werner is to be believed, then our Navy might well be better off if those ships stayed computer images rather than actually materialize on real slip ways.
Chuck wrote:If Werner is to be believed, then our Navy might well be better off if those ships stayed computer images rather than actually materialize on real slip ways.
What?
I said the USA would be better off buying a couple of these or La Fayettes rather than building the "fancy gas guzzeling stealth yacht", the LCS. I note they are using SM-2/Aegis, which makes them formidable area/theatre defense weapons, all for the same cost as LCS with it's single 57mm gun and short range point-defense missiles.
For the DDG-1000, I think we would all agree that if the price is (as it seems) the same as USS Ronald Reagan, we'd all rather have the carrier. I cannot imagine the use for a $3.5+ billion surface combatant composed of fibre composite superstructures and abominable sea-keeping characteristics. It is a bad bargain, even compared to a Virginia-class sub.
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If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.
I said the USA would be better off buying a couple of these or La Fayettes rather than building the "fancy gas guzzeling stealth yacht", the LCS. I note they are using SM-2/Aegis, which makes them formidable area/theatre defense weapons, all for the same cost as LCS with it's 57mm gun and point-defense missiles.
For the DDG-1000, I think we would all agree that if the price is (as it seems) the same as USS Ronald Reagan, we'd all rather have the carrier. I cannot imagine the use for a $2+ billion surface combatant composed of fibre composite superstructures and abominable sea-keeping characteristics. It is a bad bargain, even compared to a Virginia-class sub.
You are not a fan of DDG-1000, so I assumed it is your position that we would be better off if DDG-1000 stayed a computer graphic rather than actually materialized into a real ship.
BTW, regarding the DDG-1000, I never imagined so rudimentary a piece of computer rendering could actually accurately reflect a real ship.
Chuck wrote:
You are not a fan of DDG-1000, so I assumed it is your position that we would be better off if DDG-1000 stayed a computer graphic rather than actually materialized into a real ship.
BTW, regarding the DDG-1000, I never imagined so rudimentary a piece of computer rendering could actually accurately reflect a real ship.
You mean like the technology demonstrator? I assure you, they're serious....
If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.
Don't you wish the Secretary of the Navy would look in on this forum? The navy doesn't seem to have much common sense in designing future combatants.
I agree that the American tax payer would be better served if these designs would remain computer concept ships.
Perhaps the next administration will review naval construction and not take the military- industrial complex at their word on all matters (wishful thinking, again).
Do you think they might take the hint from the fact that the technology demonstrator needs windshield wipers?
I doubt the guns and VLS launch tubes can be used effectively if the forecastle is constantly under green water.
Just looking at the press for the DDG-1000 for the year 2007, it looks like it rose in price by $500,000,000 between January and November, currently at about $3.5 billion per ship.
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If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.
Notice the technological demonstrator is sailing along in a placid, scenic lake. Perhaps a trip to a bigger lake during a storm would improve the dreamer's grasp of the importance of sea keeping.
If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.
That may be the wave of the future Werner, but by god it will sure reduce the number of future naval enthusiasts in the world
Butter fly collecting would be more interesting than ships looking like that
Bob B.
The bow is slicing through the crest of a wave. The peak has reached the bridge.
If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.
I will miss you Werner. Fair winds and following seas.
back to the future , ugly as sin , no style but that's the direction navies are heading 
