Calling all USS Barnegat-class seaplane tender (AVP) fans

[Jimmy Conway]

Hi Carl, you are turning this thread a nice reference of images to this class of ships.
Congratulations!!!!
Jimmy

[NukeMM]

Hi Carl, you are turning this thread a nice reference of images to this class of ships.
Congratulations!!!!
Jimmy

Thank you Jimmy! And thanks for checking in, on this.

It was my intention, in the beginning of this thread, to instill more interest in this class of ships and the ISW USS Mackinac AVP-13 kit which is the only one out there. Besides myself, I have seen two versions from Richard Sliwka and two from Mike Taylor.

A lot of these ships were built and served in different capacities and configurations. Their resemblence to DEs or DDs is attractive, too.

The thread has turned into a bit of a WIP thread, but Tim, Timmy, and Sean are letting me continue. I welcome any and all contributions to the topic, here.

[nick]

I'm loving it Carl!!!!



Nick

[NukeMM]

I'm loving it Carl!!!!



Nick

Thanks, again, Nick!

[NukeMM]

I thought that I'd add little technical-like info to this "Calling All Ship Fans" thread with a few Profile and Aerial Plan Drawings showing some of the variations from original ships of the class.

The variations, shown in these basic drawings, lie in the weapons and small boat arrangements and types.

USS Absecon AVP-23 Seaplane Pilot Training Ship



USS Chincoteague AVP-24


USS Coos Bay AVP-25

[NukeMM]

The PT Boat Tender Version had one special variant within, itself. The USS Mobjack AGP-7 was just a little different than the other three. All three, however, lacked a wind screen shield around the front of the bridge and had two twin 40mm mounts at the #2 Location forward of the bridge. All three also had additional superstructure compartments near the stern to accommodate a larger torpedo repair shop and an engine repair shop.





A large chunk of these ships were built to this basic plan. AVPs 33, 34, and 48-52:

[NukeMM]

I thought that I'd share some of the drawings that I have been using in my USS Oyster Bay AGP-6 build.

These are General Arrangement Drawings. Note the bottom of the first image, the differences, aft, between the Mobjack (AGP-7) and the other three AGPs.

[NukeMM]

These are nice drawings of the location and types of railings. There are even drawings of which railings were canvas covered. I have drawings showing things like cable and hose reel and ammo ready service locker locations. Even the rigging for the boat booms and accommodation ladders and bomb booms.

[David Sandifer]

Hi, Carl

This is a very ineresting and informative site. Thank you for directing me here.

Might you have a reference for plans (as displayed in the posts above) for Barnegat and Biscayne, showing their original 1941-42 seaplane-handling facilities,including the large crane aft and the clear fantail?

R/David

[NukeMM]

Hi, Carl

This is a very ineresting and informative site. Thank you for directing me here.

Might you have a reference for plans (as displayed in the posts above) for Barnegat and Biscayne, showing their original 1941-42 seaplane-handling facilities,including the large crane aft and the clear fantail?

R/David

You just had to ask me that one, didn't you David?

The large file of plans that I have from the NARA (RG-19; File-5971) are drawings of "differences from AVP 10-13" and have everything but the Barnegat, Biscayne, Casco, Mackinac, Humboldt, and Matagorda.

This file refers to File #5690 which is supposed to be for the early Barnegats, but the NARA doesn't have this file on micro film like the 5971 that I have copies of.

So, sorry. And I hate to let you down, like this, after telling you that I could help. I think that Richard built his mostly from photos, but he might have some sort of drawings or plans.

If you decide to build a different AVP, let me know!

Here is an index of the useful stuff from the micro film reels of File 5971. Some of these items may also pertain to those early Barnegat class ships.

I don't have Reels 11-14 and Reel 6 has absolutely nothing of value to ship modelers; just lists of nameplates.

BUREAU OF SHIPS AVP 23-26, 33-41, 48-55, AGP 6-7.
HULL, MACHINERY, & ELECTRICAL PLANS WHICH DIFFER FROM PLANS OF AVP 10-13.
FOR MICRO FILM PLANS OF AVP 10-13 SEE BUSHIPS MICRO FILM REEL NUMBER 5690.

BuShips Record Group 19
File Number 5971

Photographed 22 November 1946


Reel #1 (Frames 1 through 175)

Frame

1 � 17 General Arrangement Drawings

168 - 169 Stern Roller Chock
170 Bow Chock
171 Mooring Bitts
172 - 173 Anchor Chain Pipes
174 Warping Arrangement AVP
175 Warping Arrangement AVP 54, 55


Reel #2 (Frames 176 through 275)

Frame

176 Chocks AVP & AGP
178 Warping Arrangement AGP
180 Railings AVP
184 � 185 Railings AVP 23
186 � 187 Railings AVP
188 � 189 Railings AGP
209, 214 Davits and Locations and Stowage AVP & AGP
210, 213 Hatch Rollers and Guard Rails AVP & AGP
211 Hull Pad Eyes AVP & AGP
212 Life Ring Stowage AVP & AGP
217 Wood Planking on Main Deck AVP 38-41, 54, 55
222 Safety Treads / Non Skid AVP 33-41, 48-53
226, 245 Plane and Bowser Fueling Stations AVP
240, 241 Hose Reels AVP
255 Stern Seaplane Fueling Rigging AVP
259 Hose Reels AVP
267 Hose Reels AVP
268 Plane Fueling Stations AVP 54, 55
270, 272 PT Boat Fueling Arrangements AGP
273 Hose and Cable Reel Locations AGP







Reel #3 (Frames 276 through 450)

Frame

277 Deck Layout AVP 23 Absecon
278 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 23
(Unique General Arrangement #1)

281 Deck Layout AVP 24 Chincoteague
282 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 24

285 Deck Layout AVP 25, 26
286 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 25, 26
(Unique General Arrangement #2)

289 Deck Layout AVP 33, 34, 48-52
290 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 33, 34, 48-52
(Unique General Arrangement #3)

293 Deck Layout AVP 35-41
294 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 35-41
(Unique General Arrangement #4)

297 Deck Layout AVP 53 Suisun
298 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 53
(Unique General Arrangement #5)

301 Deck Layout AVP-54, 55
302 Profile Compartment Layout AVP 54, 55
(Unique General Arrangement #6)

305 Deck Layout AGP 6, 7
306 Profile Compartment Layout AGP 6, 7
(Unique General Arrangement #7)

309 Deck Layout AGP 8, 9
310 Profile Compartment Layout AGP 8, 9

316 - 322 Water Tight Hatches and Doors AVP & AGP
336 - 356 Accommodation and Other Ladder Details AVP & AGP
366 - 367 Bomb and Torpedo Handling Booms AVP & AGP
368 - 377 Boat Crane (small) AVP & AGP
383 Boat Booms AVP
384 - 385 Boat Booms AVP 24
386 & 412 Boat Crane Details AVP & AGP




Reel #4 (Frames 451 through 575)

Frame

483 - 486 Boat and Refueling Booms AGP
487 Jack Staff and Ensign Staff AVP & AGP
488 - 490 Pole Mast Details and Rigging AVP 23-26 & AGP
491 � 501 Stack, Mast, Horn/Whistle and Rigging Details AVP & AGP
511 Stack, Mast, and Rigging Details AVP 23
516 Mast and Rigging General Arrangement AVP 33-41, 48-55, & AGP
521 Weather Screens / Canvas Railings AVP
523, 524 Canvas for 40mm Ammo Stowage AVP 54, 55
525 Weather Screens / Canvas Railings AGP
527 Painting Schedule AVP
527 Sh 20 Gas Bottle Paint AVP
528 Painting Schedule AVP 54, 55
529 Painting Schedule AGP
529 Sh 20 Gas Bottle Paint AGP
530 � 542 Bomb and Boat Winches AVP & AGP
543 Rudder

Reel #5 (Frames 576 through 725)

Frame

631 Sky Lookout Stations AVP & AGP
632 Chart House Arrangement (Int./Ext.) AVP 23, 24, 25, 26
634 Pilot House Arrangement (Int./Ext.) AVP 23, 24, 25, 26
635 Chart House, Radar Room, Emerg. Cabin Argmt. AVP 48, 49, 50, 51, 52
636 Pilot House General Argmt. (Int./Ext.) AVP & AGP
638 CIC and Chart House (Int./Ext.) AVP 33-36; 53
641 CIC and Chart House (Int./Ext.) AVP 37-41; 54, 55
642 Chart House Arrangement (Int./Ext.) AGP 6, 7
644 Chart House Arrangement (Int./Ext.) AGP 8, 9
645 Navigation Bridge and Pilot House AVP & AGP
646 Navigation Bridge Wind Shield AVP & AGP
647, 648 Navigation Bridge (Int./Ext. & Top) AVP & AGP
650 � 652 Navigation Bridge, Pilot House, and Lookout AGP
664 Nice Layout of Bridge Portholes AVP & AGP
668 � 674 Anchor Handling Arrangement (Forecastle Detail) AVP & AGP
698 � 700 Basic Profile and Arial Drawings AVP & AGP





Reel #7 (Frames 801 through 925)

Frame

827 Lumber Stowage AGP
846 Spare Gun Barrel Stowage Lockers/Locations AVP & AGP
847 40mm Ammo Stowage Lockers / Loaders AVP & AGP
877-879, 884 Exterior Decks General Arrangement (Nice!) AVP 23
880 - 882 Exterior Decks General Arrangement (Nice!) AVP 24
885 Exterior Decks General Arrangement (Nice!) AVP 25, 26

Reel #8 (Frames 926 through 1175)
(Items of Possible Interest)

Frame

932, 933 Vegetable Lockers and Potato Peeler Enclosure
956 Garbage Can Racks
974 Stretcher / Litter Stowage

Various Ventilation Specifications (Possible Plans for Vent Stacks?)


Reel #9 (Frames 1176 through 1450)

Frame

1250 � 1251 Propellers AVP & AGP
1259 26� Whale Boat Modifications AVP

Reel #10 (Frames 1451 through 1700)

Frame

1553, 1562 Sea Chests (Suction and Discharge) AVP & AGP
1577 � 1601 Weather Deck Drains AVP & AGP
1633 Stack and Trunk Details (Int./Ext.) AVP & AGP
1652 Sea Chests (Suction) AVP & AGP
1688 � 1691 Whistles and Siren / Stack Platform AVP & AGP





Reel #11 through #14 (Frames 1701 through 2700)
(Items of Possible Interest)

Frame

1906 - Smoke Stack Details
2569 Outline of Search Lights, Running, Signal, and Anchor Lights

Reel #15 (Frames 2701 through 2900)

Frame

2736 Search Lights, Running, Signal & Anchor Lights
2867, 2871 12� Search Lights AVP & AGP
2868 36� Search Light Tower AVP 23, 24
2870 Flood Light Locations AVP & AGP
2872 Radio Direction Finder AVP & AGP
2880 SA Radar Mast Detail AVP & AGP
2881 Antenna Arrangement AVP 24, 25
2890 Antenna Arrangement AVP 23
2892 Antenna and Antenna Trunk Arrangement AVP 26, 33-41, 48-53
2896 Antenna Trunk Detail AVP & AGP



Reel #16 (Frames 2901 through 3150

Frame

2909 Radar Mast Details AVP & AGP
2918 Radio Direction Finder AVP 37-41; 54, 55
2920 Aft Emergency Trans. Antenna Argmt. AVP 37-41
2922 Radar Details AVP 48-52
2928 Antenna Arrangement AVP 54, 55
2929 Antenna Trunk Details AVP 54, 55
2930 Radio Direction Finder AVP 54, 55
2933 Antenna Trunk Details AVP & AGP
2938 Antenna Arrangement AGP
2943 Mk. 26 Radar Room AVP 54, 55
2964 Aircraft Pyro Stowage Lockers Main Deck AVP 39-41
2967 � 2969 Signal Flag Bags AVP & AGP
2970 Fire Control Pilot House Top Argmt. AVP 23
2971 Fire Control Pilot House Top Argmt. AVP 24, 25, 26
2988 Mk. 51 Gun Director Platform Aft AVP 33, 34, 48-52
2992 Mk. 51 Gun Director Platform Pilot House Top AVP 48-50; 52, 53 AGP 6,8,9
2994 Fire Control Pilot House Top Argmt. AVP 48-50; 52, 53
3000 � 3002 Fire Control Pilot House Top Argmt. AVP 33-41; 51, 54, 55
3006 Mk. 52 Gun Director and Mk. 26 Radar Argmt. AVP 37-41
3017 Fire Control Pilot House Top Argmt. AGP 6, 8, 9
3018 Fire Control Pilot House Top Argmt. AGP 7
3058 � 3061 Gun Mount Foundations AVP & AGP
3062 20mm Locations and Foundations / Sponsons AVP & AGP
3063 Aft Sky Lookouts AVP 24
3064 40mm Gun Director Tower and Gun Tubs AVP and AGP
3066 Gun Blast Shield for aft 5� Gun AVP 24, 25, 26
3067 Aft 20mm Gun Foundations at Stack AVP 24
3068 Aft Quad 40mm Foundation AVP 33, 34, 48-52
3069 20mm Gun Foundation AVP 33, 34, 48-52
3071 Fwd Quad 40mm Foundation AVP 35-41; 53
3072 Fwd Quad 40mm Foundation AVP 54, 55
3073, 3074 Fwd Double Twin 40mm Foundation AGP
3075 Aft 5� Gun Foundation AGP
3077 � 3083 Torpedo Stowage and Handling AVP
3089 � 3093 Torpedo Stowage and Trolley AGP
3100 � 3102 Torpedo Handling Gen. Argmt. AGP
3109 Smoke Screen Generators AVP 24, 25, 26
3110 Smoke Screen Generators AGP
3111 Smoke Screen Generators AVP 33-41; 48-55
3114 Bomb Handling Gen. Argmt. AVP
3142 � 3149 Ammo Stowage and Handling AVP

Reel #17 (Frames 3151 through 3436)

Frame

3153 Aft Quad 40mm Gun Tub Details AVP 33, 34; 48-51
3184 20mm Ammo Ready Service Locker Locations AVP 23-26
3207 Twin 40mm Gun Tub Details AVP & AGP
3213 20mm Gun Mount Details AVP
3216 Twin 40mm Gun Tub Details AVP 33-41; 53, 54, 55
3242 Double Twin 40mm Gun Tub Details AGP
3243 20mm Ammo Ready Service Locker Locations AGP
3279 � 3282 26� Whale Boat Handling Arrangement AVP 23, 24
3283 � 3285 Small Boat Stowage Arrangement AVP 24-26; 33-41; 48-53; AGP
3286 Life Raft and Life Net Arrangement AVP 23, 24
3288 Small Boat Stowage Arrangement AVP 33, 34, 41; 48-53
3299 Water Breakers Stowage for Life Rafts AVP & AGP
3300 Life Raft and Life Net Stowage AVP & AGP
3307 5� Practice Loader AGP
3432 Gas Bottle Stowage AGP

[NukeMM]

David,

I do have plans for the smaller crane:

[NukeMM]

A few more details on the USS Oyster Bay:

Engine Room Exhaust / Intake Vent (scratch), mooring line reels (WEM), and Mk 51 Gun Directors (YMW):
(Most pieces, here, are not permanently affixed, yet.)



Aft of the 2 Twin 40mm, I've added fire hose, hose reel, and 40mm Barrel Lockers:



Here are the Ship' Bell (BKM) and Compass / Binnacle (Paper Lab):

[NukeMM]

I thought that these drawings were interesting. There are similar ones for PT Boat fueling, too. Stationary and while underway.





Tracy White,

How'd I do on the touch ups?

Ooops! Forgot to touch up the second one.

[orb]

A few more details on the USS Oyster Bay:

Hi Carl,
all those details are a feast for the eyes. Keep up the good work!

[piokas]

Hi all,
I search for the pos. "USS Barnegat (AVP-10), 1941-1958 - Booklet of General Plans" shown at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-u ... vp10-x.htm
but in higher res. Initially I did as was advised at http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org11-3.htm (link included in forementioned page) but that gave nothing. I can't simply go there and ask for copies. Does anybody have that booklet (or rather scans, I guess)? I need that for 3D model of this unique ship. TIA.

[NukeMM]

Piokas,

I have saved/downloaded those same images from that site that you referenced, and they are not of very, good quality, are they?

Are you looking for "the" USS Barnegat plans or will some of another ship of the class, due. The Floating Drydock has Booklet of General Plans for USS Unimak AVP-31. They'd be pretty good for 3D applications. Also, they have plans, including hull lines, for USCGC Bering Strait WAVP/WHEC-382 which was the former USS Bering Strait AVP-34.

I have digitized plans for the AVPs other than the very first ones of the class, but very view detailed profile views or hull lines drawings of them.

If you are looking for "the" USS Barnegat plans, I might suggest the services of Tracy White, Researcher at Large.

http://researcheratlarge.com/

Also, there are the Bering Strait plans on eBay.com here: http://cgi.ebay.com/U-S-C-G-seaplane-te ... 2c4ddc43b2

And the single page Barnegat Plans, here: http://cgi.ebay.com/seaplane-tender-APV ... 2c49fbb5b1

Both of the plans, above, are what I have and the Bering Strait ones are the same that The Floating Drydock has.

Hi all,
I search for the pos. "USS Barnegat (AVP-10), 1941-1958 - Booklet of General Plans" shown at: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-u ... vp10-x.htm
but in higher res. Initially I did as was advised at http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org11-3.htm (link included in forementioned page) but that gave nothing. I can't simply go there and ask for copies. Does anybody have that booklet (or rather scans, I guess)? I need that for 3D model of this unique ship. TIA.

[NukeMM]

A few more details on the USS Oyster Bay:

Hi Carl,
all those details are a feast for the eyes. Keep up the good work!

Thanks, again, Heiko!

You know that I'm always looking forward to what you're working on, too!

These additional details are a lot easier in 1/350 than 1/700, but I'm a 1/700 modeler at heart. If there were any 1/700 AVPs, I'd be building them, instead.

[jepot...]

Carl,

i saw your entry at the gallery of modelwarships- what a very nice final output!

bravo zulu! wish i had the time to start my 1/700 scale projects i told you before...

COngratulations again on another great outcome!

[NukeMM]

Carl,

i saw your entry at the gallery of modelwarships- what a very nice final output!

bravo zulu! wish i had the time to start my 1/700 scale projects i told you before...

COngratulations again on another great outcome!

Thanks, Jepot! Its nice to know you're still around and still thinking about your 1/700 projects. Keep me informed of any progress, won't you?

[jepot2b]

Carl,

i saw your entry at the gallery of modelwarships- what a very nice final output!

bravo zulu! wish i had the time to start my 1/700 scale projects i told you before...

COngratulations again on another great outcome!

Thanks, Jepot! Its nice to know you're still around and still thinking about your 1/700 projects. Keep me informed of any progress, won't you?

yes carl, still around despite the veeery hectic work sched- and still trying to figure out the process of modfying the hull i intend to use for the AVP...