Calling all Soviet Kirov-class (Орлан) Project 1144 & Slava-class (Атлант) Project 1164 fans

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[Ticonderoga]

Andrew, I don't have a link. They're just pictures I picked up somewhere along the line, off the Internet. Let me know what you're specifically interested in and I'll be glad to post what I can.
Thanks,
Bob

Thank You Bob

My next project is a 1/72 scratch built Kirov based on Peter the Great, so any shots of a Kirov, particularly PTG, will be a great help.

Andrew

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[Timmy C]

No, unfortunately - there's just too much in my stash and lack of low-cost seller for that

I do have the 1/700 kit, as mentioned earlier, however.

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[Kodai]

Hi guys, I need help, which is the number of identification of the admiral ushakov??? , regards

[Neptune]

If you mean pennant number, painted on the hull, that depended (when she was in active service) on the deployment/exercise. They adapted the numbers nearly every time they did a deployment. Depending on time she's had several different numbers. She's easily recognisable by the two AK-100 guns instead of the AK-130 double gun on the other three units. I suggest you take a picture of her and see which number she had at that time.
If you have a timeframe in mind, you might want to check www.navsource.narod.ru and see in the Ushakov pictures, which are normally dated on the site, which number she had at that time.

[NorthSea]

Ticonderoga and I have been discussing the Kamov helicopters and how they fit into the hangars on these ships, and we found this site:

http://www.ka27.info/eng/

Scale drawings, variants, excellent close-up pictures. No ship-board pictures, but a naval variant is pictured. Well worth a look if you plan to model a kamov on a ship.

[NorthSea]

I thought I'd share a closer look at the Kirov class flight decks as I came to understand them while working on my 1/350 Trumpeter Kirov.

the three sets of double rails that are used to help guide the helo to the elevator. I don't know whether this incorporates a powered system to pull the helo or just a guide rail. Regardless, note that the center set of rails is actually offset ever so slightly to port. I've got photos from other angles that further confirm this. You can also see the offset by comparing the run of the rail towards the stern and seeing the offset from the centerline flag pole at the stern deck edge. I first noticed this when I wondered whether the center white stripe was painted over the rail. It turns out that the stripe is centered and the rail is offset. Maybe the helo's nose wheel is offset?

Bob,
sorry to re-open a topic that you dealt with so long ago, but as I have been looking into flight deck operations it seems worth posting some information.

The Kamov helicopters have a pair of nose wheels, one of which lines up with the centre track when the centre of the aircraft is over the white centre line on the deck. This photo probably give the best idea of how it all lines up.

I haven't found any pictures of the gear that goes in the track, though there must be something. When the aircraft is pulled to the brink of the elevator there is a short section of the recovery track at an angle, towards the centre of the hangar. You can just see it in the picture. The elevator floor then has some odd features, some also set at nose-wheel width and some at rear-wheel spacing to aid recovery. If you want to see pictures of these please ask and I will post them, though they are already on the thread somewhere.

The outside tracks are apparently used to park helicopters to port and starboard of the elevator doors. These tracks are also offset, so when parking to port it looks as though you need to hook the gear in the track onto the nose wheel on the right hand side of the aircraft. And vice versa if parking up to starboard.

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[Ticonderoga]

The tie down points on the Helo are on the fuselage. I think I might have a pic or two of a heleo secured on the deck of a Slava. I will check when I get home from work tonight.

Andrew

[NorthSea]

Bob, Andrew, thanks for posting so quickly! I agree there is no RAST system in the track and no automatic means to recover the aircraft, but the track must be a guide to help locate it into the lift. You'll have seen that the landing circle is usually covered with a cargo net arrangement, so any device that hooks on to the aircraft has to reach over the edge of the net. Now have a look at the object on the elevator in this picture, which resembles a nosewheel dolly and might do this job.

I also have seen no sign of tie-down points. However there are several low rails running fore and aft on the deck, and I think these are intended to constrain the movement of the wheels as the aircraft are moved, and may also be used to tie-down.

On the aft end of the elevator platform there are also a couple of low rails, and I think these are intended to constrain the movement of the wheels as the aircraft is moved forward. On the forward section of the platform there are a pair of marks corresponding to the width of the rear wheels and look as though they may be low points in the platform to chock the wheels when the aircraft is in a suitable position to raise or lower the elevator.

Interesting stuff, I'm sure it will stand a lot more discussion.

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[Ticonderoga]

Have found a photo of the helo secured on deck of a Slave (Varyag) You can clearly see the tie downs, so I wonder if the Kirovs have tie down rings on their flight decks? Also, if you look carefully at the front undercarriage, there is an object that "could" look like a "shoe" that fits in the track and could be used as a dynamic securing device as the helo is ranged on and off deck? It might also simply be a part of the undercarriage its self.

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[Garry71]

http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/02/t60201 ... likij.html
http://forums.airbase.ru/2006/09/t66977 ... -1164.html

[NorthSea]

Bob, have a look at the picture of the octagon that you have posted. Near the far end of the centre track there is an object that might be a mechanism in the rail. You are almost certainly right about the octagon designed to stop the aircraft rolling around, and adding a cargo net to it is possibly a paractical addition to improve on that.

In my earlier post, I wrote 'rails' when I should probably have written 'railings' . If you have a look at PVs deck you will see some low rails similar to those in the octagon. They are positioned between the hangar doors and the missile launch covers.

As requested, a picture of the elevator platform, looking aft. I have highlighted the tie-downs (not very big), the depressions for the rear wheels, and what seem to be low railings at the rear to stop the aircraft rolling around as it is brought inside.

[Ticonderoga]

Just a bit more on tie downs:

On this photo you can see what I think is clear evidence of a tie down hook in the deck, just near the white line marking. Also note the towing hook on the transom which I had not seen before:




This next collage is interesting. Bottom right above the sailor's arm two tie down hooks by the white lines. The stud like projections parallel with the white fence are, I think, wash down nozzles used to wash down the helo in case of nuclear transit or biological attack.

Top right: one can clearly see the "sled" device used to push /pull the helo

Of general interest, bottom left, the Russians apparently burn their combustible gash or they are burning their classified waste (probably more likely)



Andrew

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