At 'Em Arizona Fans!

[Guest]

Hi Stef,

I think you put those top patrts on wrong. The little X's are doors that open to the area where the gun directors sit. I could be wrong though?

[dsk]

Looks like they're reversed. The piece on the right needs to be on the left and vice versa, with the little X thingies towards the rear instead.

I made the mistake of putting the lowest ladder of the foremast on backwards, and had to fight like hell to pull everything apart and reinstall it correctly. It wasn't an easy feat given the fact it was superglued in place, but at least I realized it before everything had dried.

BTW here's mine to date. I'm getting close! BTW I intend to leave the lower hull a detachable component. I honestly can't decide if I prefer a waterline view or full hull.

[stef76]

Hi Stef,

I think you put those top patrts on wrong. The little X's are doors that open to the area where the gun directors sit. I could be wrong though?

thanks you

you have raison i make a mistake and i dont see her !!
i will correct know and thanks for your remarque

dsk your arizona is sublim!!!!!!
bye
stef

[dsk]

While I've certainly seen worse, the Trumpeter instructions aren't exactly that great about showing clearly where everything goes and in what orientation. A couple times I had to refer to the pictures or drawings in Stillwell's book because the kit instructions were too vague.

BTW thanks for the compliments. I'm anxious to see yours when it's finished as well.

[Guest]

Hey Stef,

Didn't mean to sound critical, just pointing it out! I'm in the middle of doing mine right now, I think I have it to the point to where I can start priming it. I'm scared to death to start doing rails and I may wait for the White Ensign set to come out. Trying to post a pic of mine, don't know if I'm doing it right.

[Hippy Ed]

Hey Stef,

Didn't mean to sound critical, just pointing it out! I'm in the middle of doing mine right now, I think I have it to the point to where I can start priming it. I'm scared to death to start doing rails and I may wait for the White Ensign set to come out. Trying to post a pic of mine, don't know if I'm doing it right.
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/az3.JPG

I think yer doin' it right!! WoW!!

[Guest]

Here's a closer pic. Most of this is not glued down at this point. I did some minor scratch building and since this pic was taken I've added more PE. I'm just trying to reduce it down to the least amount of parts to facilitate painting.

[dsk]

The problem I'm having with this model at the moment is the fact that it's so big, which means it's hard to work on adding all the small details without accidentally bumping something with my hand and bending or breaking it. With small models you can move the piece around on the table to get in there with tweezers, but with this big thing you have to move yourself around the ship and get in there with your hands while holding tweezers or some small part (and hoping not to drop it where it'll be hard to retrieve). I already squished a PE rail by mistake and popped off one of the little pointy thingies on the mainmast simply because I wasn't watching here I was swinging my hand. I strongly recommend to those of you still in the early stages of building this kit to add the small parts and PE as you go, rather than wait until all the main segments are already assembled in place. Once I'm finally done with this thing a 1/700 model is going to feel like a breeze by comparison!

[JTninja]

Hate to bring this back up, but....

If you're interested in Penny's unused Dazzle Pattern I drew this up awhile back. Her port side pattern was never sketched but I read that it would have been similar to the port side pattern of the New Mexico-Class painted in the same Measure. That's what I used when I drew up the camo sheet. I opted not to use Dull Black and instead subbed in Navy Blue (ala BB-36) to change it up a bit. Just never liked dazzle patterns with black in them. I took some liberties with the deck pattern as well, adding in more Ocean Gray patches. I started a painting of her underway sporting the dazzle camo but haven't gotten around to finishing it yet.

The colors aren't matched to color chips and I didn't bother since this was a quick workup so I could plan how to paint the ship in the painting. I needed to know what it would look like before I started mixing actual paint. Due to its complexity I wanted to know where the dividing lines were on all surfaces since the ref photo I chose was from an angle and of the port side.

Anyway, enjoy the pattern workup.



If you go over to the Naval Historical Center's page on dazzle patterns you will see some interesting information.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineL ... 3--bb1.htm

# Photo #: 80-G-157916
Drawing of Camouflage Measure 32, Design 3D scheme prepared for USS Pennsylvania (BB-38), showing pattern intended for the ship's port side.
The pattern seen is broadly similar to Design 3D port side schemes prepared for other ship types, but differs considerably from them in detail.

# Photo #: 80-G-157915
Drawing of Camouflage Measure 32, Design 3D scheme prepared for USS Pennsylvania (BB-38), showing the pattern intended for the ship's horizontal surfaces.

Apparently the missing port side WAS drawn up but is not in the NHC collection. Perhaps they were lost to time or are still hiding away somewhere, who knows?

Hope that helps somewhat.

-Mike

Heres my update Mike. I decided to use the colors she was supposed to be painted, and as well as base the port side off of the 33/3Ds some DD's used (with some parts based off yours), seen here: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/DesignShe ... DD-445.jpg

Heres after a few couple coats

IMGP9506 by JTninja, on Flickr

Hope this motivates you to work on yours again

[Tracy White]

Just a quick note; I see that Lucky Models has the KA Models set. From the picture on the site, we can see that they included the cuts in the boat deck for the splinter shields... essentially meaning this set is not a good fit for those wanting to do a pre-war Arizona before December 1940 (when they started installing the shields).

[dsk]

Ya, I noticed that in the other thread where somebody posted an e-Bay link. It'd have been nice if they only partially perforated it on the opposite side, giving users the option of punching out the slots for the splinter shields or leaving it solid.

[mark_sch]

Hello,
Someone posted on the other site. That the Arizona had 20mm Oerlikons installed during the attack. Is this true? The person states that he saw the info in the Profile Morskie 110: USS Arizona 1941 book.
Mark

[Tracy White]

Incorrect. .50 cal only

[dsk]

She was due to have 1.1 quads installed by the end of '41/early '42 and as you can see with the models there were four empty tubs where they were supposed to go. But on December 7th all she had were the eight 5"/25 mounts and eight .50 machine guns. One could possibly speculate that had she had more effective AA armament like the 1.1's or 20mm Oerlikons she might have been able to engage the high level bombers that doomed her, but we'll never know. As it was, the 5"/25's were of little use in the crowded harbor and the .50's were equally useless against anything but low-level strafing planes, and of course we'll also never know how many of the AA guns had been manned, loaded and shooting back by the time she blew up.

[Dick J]

The 20MM were only just hitting the fleet, and none had, as yet, made it to any of the ships at Pearl by Dec 7th. Very few even had the 1.1's during the attack. Arizona was scheduled to depart for the States the week after the 7th, and it is not unlikely that had the attack not take place, she would have received a few 20MM during that refit.

[mark_sch]

Incorrect. .50 cal only

That's what I thought. Thank you Tracy.
Mark

[stef76]

hello i am here on the arizonna i try to glue p.e but it s hard for me it s the kit i used p.e











I am going to repaint the central structure because I am not satisfied by the result.and i correct the mistakes i do.

bye


stef

[ArizonaBB39]

Hi Stef, your model is looking good so far. One thing I noticed, the yard arms on the forward mast (the large triangle lattice things on the top) are pointed up. They should be level and parallel to the ground. Otherwise looking really good so far

Everyone else's builds are looking good too. Makes me want to buy the 1/200 kit myself! But I'll save my money for the Dragon Pennsylvania in the hopes if she sells well they'll make an Arizona some day

[stef76]

Hi Stef, your model is looking good so far. One thing I noticed, the yard arms on the forward mast (the large triangle lattice things on the top) are pointed up. They should be level and parallel to the ground. Otherwise looking really good so far

Everyone else's builds are looking good too. Makes me want to buy the 1/200 kit myself! But I'll save my money for the Dragon Pennsylvania in the hopes if she sells well they'll make an Arizona some day

thanks you for your remarque i will correct them !!it s good to have critics for the mistake i do .
bye
stef

[dsk]

Everyone else's builds are looking good too. Makes me want to buy the 1/200 kit myself! But I'll save my money for the Dragon Pennsylvania in the hopes if she sells well they'll make an Arizona some day

Not sure what you mean. Dragon already offers a 1/700 Arizona. I wish somebody would make a 1/350 or larger Pennsylvania, either Pearl Harbor era or late war.