Calling all "Hog Islander" cargo ship & transport fans!

[PetrOs]

Hey

I guess the Hog Islanders were an important enough cargo ships to be represented here. Especially with a beautiful BFM's kit available.

I am planning to build one soon, but I would love to find a european owned mid-thirties Hog Islander for my diorama, french or german, or maybe greek or norwegian.. Were there any?

[Freighter]

PetrOs,
Can't answer for a Hog Islander in German service but if you are looking for a 'German' element to your diorama, have you considered the HP Models Atlantis, Pinguin or Michel. All were in service about that time (1937) under different names - just leave off the weapons. Also HP Models 'Legie' is listed as Czech - it's a nice kit. I've built her as 'Legie' and, with a small amount of conversion/scratch building as 'Kurohime Maru'.

Looking forward to seeing some 'in progress' pictures.

Jim S

[PetrOs]

Aha, sounds interesting.

I have checked every single Hog Islander so far - none was used by the german or french line.
However, I think it is still a good idea to have a thread about this important type here.

I have found a very interesting page about the US WW1 Emergency Shipbuilding, covering every design and every ship constructed!
http://www.shipscribe.com/mckellar/

[Freighter]

PetrOs,
Thanks for a very interesting link. It will certainly help me with some of my 'Maru' conversions given that a number of designs were commissioned from Japan.

Jim S

[Laurent]

Hi,

there was at least one "Hog Islander" ("A" type) sailing under the cherifian flag (the Cherifian Empire was the name of Morokko while under french administration), the "Khourigba", sailing for the "Compagnie franco-ch�rifienne de navigation", here under the link, she is on top of the page:
http://www.marine-marchande.net/Jourlej ... our-82.htm

and one of the two pictures on the site


This company was founded by a frenchman in 1945, she bought 3 old cargo ships from abroad, where under "Khourigba", which sailed until 1951, when she was sold for scrap and broken up at Rosyth (UK).

When the frenchs left Morokko (1956), the company remained but changed her name in 1959, to become the "COMANAV". This company still does exist, but is now part of the CMA-CGM.

Regards,

Laurent

[MT Hopper]

Trying to scale general outline drawings ( with no dimensions) for a set of plans for a Hog Islander Type A , EFC 1022 sufficient to build a model.
The problem.
I have from different sources three different lengths for this hull type. The BFM model is given as a Type A with a hull length of 401ft. and navsource, shipscribe and Wikipedia concur with that.
Norm McKellars site lists the "famous" Type A EFC 1022 hull at 390ft and the Harriman EFC 1025 as 401ft.
The usmm site lists the Type A hull as 380ft!
By sheer number of supporting sites, should I scale the drawings against a Type A , EFC 1022 as 401ft? Is it possible that inadvertently some of the models and model plans have mixed in the EFC 1025 dimensions with the 1022s?
Any help is welcomed!

Confused cheers
Will

[MT Hopper]

I have undimensioned drawings from several sources and am trying to cobble them together to build a Hog Island Type A , EFC 1022 cargo vessel.
The problem.
From different sources I have three different lengths given for this hull.
From navsource, shipscribe and Wikipedia plus the BFM model 401ft.
From Norm McKellars site 390ft
From usmm 380ft.
My (limited) understanding is the Hog Islander Type B hulls (Harriman), EFC 1025, were longer and troop carriers. That hull length is given as 401ft. But to add to the confusion Wikipedia lists the SS Liberty Glo as a Type B hull at 390ft and the USS Capella as a Type A at 401ft! I had hoped the discrepencies were because of the differences between LOA and LBP, Lpp and they just weren't telling me which one they were using. Nope.
My question.
By sheer dint of numbers am I safest to ( scale my drawings) go with 401ft or over time have the sources inadvertently mixd 1025 hull dimensions in with 1022 and in fact 1022 hulls are 390ft?

Confused cheers
Will

[reigels]

Hi Will -

Not to make things worse, but Mark H. Goldberg's "The Hog Islanders: The story of 122 American ships" has a rough drawing indicating the length at 401'-0" but the text (pg. 35) indicates "The ships were 410 feet long overall, 390 feet between perpendiculars, 46 feet in beam and 27.5 feet in depth"

I suspect the 410 listed is in error, and should read 401, but in any case at least the LBP at 390' corresponds to McKellars' figure.

Hope this helps.

[MT Hopper]

Thank you.
Doing a rough measure the 401 as LOA fits the 390 Lpp on the drawings
Draft is given as 24.5 ft or 27.5 ft or 29.5 ft
The one measure "they" almost agree on is beam/breadth as 54ft or 54ft 1in
Thanks
Will

[Harry @ BFM]

Hi,

Hog Islander Type A(Capella Class)

Length (oa): 401�
Beam: 54�
Draft (max): 24�

Source: Division of Naval Intelligence 1 September 1945

Hope this helps.

[Harry @ BFM]

I forgot to mention there are 2 plan sets available from the National Archives:
USS Sirius & USS Vega.

[MT Hopper]

Thank you Harry.
Cheers from the Heart of North America
Will

[MT Hopper]

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[MT Hopper]

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[MT Hopper]

From terribly blurry drawing. It "seems" to be that the main cargo booms capacity on a Hog Islander is 8 Tons. Hoping someone on this forum "might" know.
Bon Chance
Will

[MT Hopper]

Okay, first up I'm an Airlubber so excuse my newbie questions. I am attempting to model a 1930's hog islander hauling sugar between Cuba and the united States. My question relates to hull plating. On other fora I have received several conflicting replies as to how the plates were joined.
1/ Suggests it was clinker style with the bottom edge on one plate overlapping the top edge of the next plate by several cm and hot rivetted through the land. Lateral edges are butt joined on the frame.
2/ all plate edges are butt joined and "caulked".
Caulking could be one of three diverse methods (apparently designed to create long discussions for the airlubber).
a/ A red lead paint/paste bed into which the hull plate is laid then hot riveted.
b/ An injected red lead based paste
c/ A metal caulking tool is used to upset the metal at the butt joined plate edges . The tool is a large broad blunt chisel type tool resembling what we here call a cold chisel.Initially done by hand and later with pnuematic tools.
HELP! Which one will do for my Hog Islander?

Cheers from the Heart of North America
Will

[Laurent]

Hi Will.

Question1: depends on which builder has built the ship. Clinker riveting was most of the time only used with hydraulic riveting machines, which were heavy and cumbersome. My guess is that those hog islanders, being built in "back yard shipyards", would have been hand riveted, so the IN & OUT plating option would be the most obvious. Forget about butt joining on a frame, there must have been butt seams or the butt ends couls be riveted together.

Question 2: the option C is the only option I have ever heard of.

Regards,

Laurent

[MT Hopper]

Thanks Laurent. I appreciate your help.

Cheers
Will

[MT Hopper]

Finally have learnt what to name "some" things.
The joint between one hull plates side edge and the side edge of the adjacent hull plate is called the "butt" in British shipyard terminology.
The joint between the bottom edge of a hull plate and the top edge of the hull plate immediately below is called the "seam"
Is/was American shipyard terminology different with regard to these joints?
With respect to the hull plating on a Hog Islander were the seams joggled?
Since my model is in 1/48th scale and the plating method affects its appearance I am trying to find the relevant information so I can model it correctly and such information is challenging to find.
Is there a particular term applied to the hull plating that involves IN Strakes and OUT Strakes ( like the Titanics hull plating "style").Did the Hogs use this style? From the photos available my guess is they didn't and I lean towards the joggled plates for the seams. However, I have seen photos of a Hog Islander presentation model and the joints there are very evident as IN and OUT Strakes joints!
confused Cheers from the Heart of North America
Will

[MT Hopper]

Apparently the definitive answer is the hull plates are overlapped on both the butt and the seam and lapstrakes used in behind. Neither frames nor plates were joggled. Dissenting opinions?

Cheers
Will