What-If Royal Navy Lion-class battleships

[Aop Aur]

http://inkworm.co.uk/images/illustratio ... bacore.jpg
http://www.model-plans.co.uk/astral/ast ... et%201.gif
https://www.google.ca/search?q=fairey+a ... BQ#imgrc=_

Thanks for the links!

Cheers,

Aop

[iangazeley]

The Albacore had a pair of floats designed in, but no floatplane was ever built.

I have a couple of photographs that prove that it was.



IG

[Aop Aur]

The Albacore had a pair of floats designed in, but no floatplane was ever built.

I have a couple of photographs that prove that it was.



IG

Do you mean you have photographs of the Albacore floatplane? Pics immediately please.

Aop.

[iangazeley]

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This is a screen shot of the photos that I have, which I post for discussion purposes.

HTH

IG

[Guest]

I'm glad to be proved wrong. Thanks for posting the photos.

[Aop Aur]

I couldn't believe that the float version was built either! Thanks for the prove! And that could be my reference for my build as well. I think the first photo's url was incorrect or something. Maybe you can edit, or repost?

Thanks again!
Aop.

[Timmy C]

I think the first photo's url was incorrect or something. Maybe you can edit, or repost?

It's the same image as the one you can see. Photobucket's auto-URL thing includes a link to the Photobucket page itself, which is what the string you see takes you to. But since Ian included a few extra [url] tags, it broke that portion of the Photobucket code, leaving you with just the image. Otherwise, you'd be able to click the image and it would open up a new page on Photobucket showing the photo on there.

[Aop Aur]

I think the first photo's url was incorrect or something. Maybe you can edit, or repost?

It's the same image as the one you can see. Photobucket's auto-URL thing includes a link to the Photobucket page itself, which is what the string you see takes you to. But since Ian included a few extra [url] tags, it broke that portion of the Photobucket code, leaving you with just the image. Otherwise, you'd be able to click the image and it would open up a new page on Photobucket showing the photo on there.

Thanks for the info! Never know that...I am an old-fashioned kid!

Aop.

[pgollin]

This is a screen shot of the photos that I have, which I post for discussion purposes.

HTH

IG

Thanks, truly enlightening.

Any idea which ship the plane is being winched up to ?

[iangazeley]

I'm not sure for certain, but I have reason to believe it is HMS Valiant before she departed for the Mediterranean in 1940. I found a film of the event, which clearly shows one of Valiant's Swordfish (from the serial) immediately prior to the Albacore on floats. Albacore L7074 (if I have read the serial correctly - it is not 100% clear) was the first Fairey Albacore built, which just fits with the timing if it was this one that was then used as a float plane test bed.

Before anyone asks, I can't link to the film because it's not online.

[Aop Aur]

I'm not sure for certain, but I have reason to believe it is HMS Valiant before she departed for the Mediterranean in 1940. I found a film of the event, which clearly shows one of Valiant's Swordfish (from the serial) immediately prior to the Albacore on floats. Albacore L7074 (if I have read the serial correctly - it is not 100% clear) was the first Fairey Albacore built, which just fits with the timing if it was this one that was then used as a float plane test bed.

Before anyone asks, I can't link to the film because it's not online.

Thanks for all your info, they are very interesting and helpful. So that was just an experimental aircraft? Are there any other Albacore floatplanes built?


Aop.

[iangazeley]

I don't know if there were any others, but I doubt it. I didn't think the type existed until I saw these images/film.

Was it significant that the type was tested on a modernised QE type BB I wonder?

[RNfanDan]

These appear to be the same-pattern floats as used on the Swordfish, perhaps taken from existing spares stockpiles.

[tjstoneman]

THE Imperial War Museum catalogue shows a film clip (MTE 453) entitled "HMS PEGASUS ALBACORE LANDINGS" and said to be dated 1940-03-16 with the caption "Landing in sea by Albacore seaplane. Aircraft hooks on and is raised from water. Close ups except first shot of landing which is long shot." Another (MTE 494), entitled "HMS PEGASUS ALBACORE" and said to be dated 1940-03-14 is captioned "Launches of Albacore seaplane from catapult are shown. Last shot in each roll is of Albacore landplane." Unfortunately neither clip is available online.

[iangazeley]

Mea Culpa. The film i was referring to was indeed MTE 453. From my (10 year old) notes MTE 452-455 were together on one reel. MTE 452 is Valiant's Swordfish (I think). I had not realised that MTE was Pegasus. Thanks for the update, Tim.

[Aop Aur]

Hi all
I am currently building the HMS Lion in 1/350th scale, and am posting my progress here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=162811

Hope you will enjoy! I am new to scratch-building, so please excuse my skill!

Aop.

[Aop Aur]

I came across another issue with the plans while designing a 3d part for a customer. Here is a pic of the pom poms platform in the Tamiya PoW kit:

And here is a plan view of KGV (platform layout same as PoW):


And this is Lion's drawings of the platforms:

In the drawing above, the four circular lines should be the platform, that's a different shape to the KGVs.
But in the profile drawing, there are only the rectangular structure and the pom poms atop of it; no platforms and splinter sheilds drawn:


Any suggestions about the platforms shapes?

Thanks,
Aop

[Guest]

I came across another issue with the plans while designing a 3d part for a customer. Here is a pic of the pom poms platform in the Tamiya PoW kit:

And here is a plan view of KGV (platform layout same as PoW):


And this is Lion's drawings of the platforms:

In the drawing above, the four circular lines should be the platform, that's a different shape to the KGVs.
But in the profile drawing, there are only the rectangular structure and the pom poms atop of it; no platforms and splinter sheilds drawn:


Any suggestions about the platforms shapes?

Thanks,
Aop

I would suggest they would be identical or nearly so to that of the KGV's, given the drawings and pics of the last few posts.

Regards

M. A. Rozon

Bigger Guns MORE POWER!

[Aop Aur]

Thanks for the reply. I think the circular lines are the platforms, so I'll go with that.

It seems like I will endlessly run into questions again and again while building/designing this ship. Here I've got another one; looking at this drawing:

Can anybody tell what the square thing is?? This is not present in the KGV, and supposedly any other ships.
Here's a top view drawing:


Thanks in advance!
Aop

[SilverGhost]

I think that it is ventilation grille of boiler department ?1
On Myoko cruisers the same grilles were there