Calling all IJN Jingei-class (迅鯨) submarine tender fans

[Bill Clarke]

This Sky Wave kit arrived today and after checking it over and comparing it to references on line I have some points and questions.
I've also put it in here cause it's a sub tender, and I couldn't find any other appropriate section for it.

The Kit
Box art shows her with a de-gaussing cable, none on the hull, nor on any of the photos of her.

box art shows her with a director that sticks up through the bridge roof, no director in the kit, but some pics of her show her with and without a director.

Box art also shows her with a radar set atop the spotting platform on the formast looks like a Type 21 A6, I have doubts that the spotting top could take the 840kg weight though.
References (Wicki) state she had a type 21-Go early warning radar, but no reference to it in her TROM on the combinedfleet website.

Reference photos from Wicki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingei_cla ... ine_tender

Questions:
1. Did she have a director, if so what type and where
2. Was she equipped with type 21 radar, and where might it have been mounted.
3. Would she have had a de gaussing cable.
4. TROM states she had her 3 inch guns landed in 44 and replaced by 18(yes 18) type 96 25mm guns, if so, singles, twins, or triples.

So over to you guys.

[Dan K]

What timeframe? Over to you

[Quincy]

The Jingei's 25mm's were doubles. One atop the seaplane hangar, and two either side between the funnels. Model art #45 has very good reference photos, and is the Sub Depot ship guide. This would be the 1944 timeframe.


Bob Pink.

[Bill Clarke]

What timeframe? Over to you

Well the kit appears to be early fit, 1920's, I'd like to build her circa 44.

Just looked at MA45, and the kit, which has parts for early or late fits minus the 25mm's

[Dan K]

I've been unable to determine her actual fit at the time of her sinking. Everything says 18 of the 25mm mounts but, aside from the 3 twin mounts, nothing about placement.

[Bill Clarke]

Great pic Dan, thanks, I'm wondering if those 18 25's were singles, that would make sence. The triple mounts required a crew of 9, and the ship wasn't exactly a bare expance of decking.

Also each mount would have required at least 3 ammo boxes, would have made for a crowded deck.

[Quaestor]

Fast forward four years and I'm about to start the same Jingei kit, gents.
I'm OK with early-war fit, so I'll keep the 3" AA and not fret about placement of the lighter stuff.
Do we know if that director was atop the bridge, early war? Apparently not in earlier years.
No radar yet 1941 or 1942, I'd wager.
Most importantly, which IJN gray? John Snyder's very good booklet comes up short here; no mention of either Chogei or Jingei.
If all else fails I'll follow standard procedure: the color from whichever naval arsenal drydocked her last.
TIA

[Dan K]

Well, the TROMS are not particularly robust in terms of whereabouts and refits for Jingei, either:

http://www.combinedfleet.com/Jingei_t.htm
http://www.combinedfleet.com/Chogei_t.htm

Nor are there early wartime photos of her, at least at my access. If you are willing to go with Chogei as guide in terms of fit at that time (highly likely), then yes, she would have had the director atop her bridge. Definitely too early for radar.

Colorized photo of Chogei earlly 1942:

[Quaestor]

Thanks Dan. Looks like another case where a certain amount of modeler's license may be needed.
I'd seen that colorized photo of Chogei but had not realized the bow wave was a Measure 5 fake; rather well done!

[Frank381]

Hello,
in moment I build the Jingei/Chogei...
here ist a picture of my Jingei

[Dan K]

Lots of good detail work there. Nice!

[MatthewB]

The photo of the Ch?gei in 1942 looks like it has a director on top of the bridge.

The same photo (posted above, colorized) shows a degaussing cable, or what looks to be one.


And there is a 1946 photo of the Jingei with a Type 21 Radar on the forward Mast.

MB

[berend]

Jingei sunk, top view from CVE Lunga Point log 1944 - 1945.

Regards,

Berend

[Dan K]

Great photo!

[Frank381]

Wow !

[Frank381]

Here a lot of >improvised< pictures from my Jingei/Chogei ...it is not finish ~ 95%

[Frank381]

once more...

[Bill Clarke]

Just checked this thread, stunning work on that kit

[Frank381]

thanks

[Dr. Livesey]

Hello, everybody! Few pictures of Jingei-class from Japanese book...