Calling all USS Enterprise CV-6 fans

[JMAC]

So I would guess theres a total of 4 on the island itself then.

Edit: Bingo, it looks like there were 4 50 cals in the rear of the catwalk, the other 2 at the front.


guns4 by JTninja, on Flickr


Therefore, this changes


guns by JTninja, on Flickr

This means C23-25 of the trumpy instructions remain the same, just .50 cals instead of 20mm's..

Thanks for the response Dick; after having gone through the thread (a couple times) I was aware of some of the cv6.org issues... Unfortunately I now find my self perhaps slightly more confused. The above photo of Enterprise's aft that I quoted has been posted twice in the thread, once called 20mms (due to the shields, possibly with canvas covers causing the barrel girth), and once called .50 cals; as well, it shows 4 tubs (however I believe you stated the very aft ones wouldn't have been present at Midway? Is this from a later date perhaps?). By my count then there would be 8x total Brownings if we include four on the tower and the four corners; this seems plausible to me, as sources disagree on this number (cv6.org being my favourite with a forthright 'unknown') whereas the Oerlikons seem pretty widely agreed to be 32 in number.

Now I see however that the Academy kit has the aft gun tubs incorrect, as they are cut out of the rounddown rather than to the side; and it only has 6 gun positions starboard of the tower rather than the 8 most seem to agree on! There aren't any tubs involved there however so I can hopefully add two more with minimal effort; the aft tubs I may just have to live with rather than try to reposition; and thankfully the fantail Oerlikons seem to also be free standing from the pictures I've seen. Thanks again!

[Dick J]

I think you need to reread my post. The 3 circled mounts visible in your upper photo are all 20MM (the brownings did not have the on-mount shields. That photo was taken when Enterprise was returning to Pearl after Eastern Solomons (note the damaged flightdeck above the 5" guns). The 4 around the aft end of the flightdeck that you marked in yellow on the lower photo were all 20MM. That overhead photo was taken at Pearl on 12 July of '42. The rounddown was never cut out for .50's (brownings), only for 20MM. The two mounts in the rounddown were relocated there from the fantail. After air search radar was added in 1941, there was one browning on each side directly abeam the intact aft rounddown. These were removed after Midway and replaced by 20MM positioned slightly further forward, as seen in your photos. The 4 spots on the island which you have question marked were not 20MM. There were no 20MM on the island. There were brownings there through Midway, but the positions were vacant after the brownings were removed. Additionally, after Midway both Enterprise and Hornet replaced the 2 20MM on the bow bandstand with a quad 1.1. The tub was given a rounded extension in the middle of the front while a rectangular extension already existed on the back (this is not properly depicted on any of the model kits - it was originally for ready service boxes.) Enterprise still had the 1.1 mount there after the 4 1.1's fore and aft of the island had been replaced by 40MM. The bow 1.1 was not replaced until her big refit in late 1943.

[JMAC]

Sorry for the confusion, those aren�t my photos, they�re from another user�s past post here, I just thought they�d help me explain my question. In any case I�m going to put 4 Brownings on the island, and 4 at the corners; and add 2 Oerlikons each to the starboard of the island (for 8 total) and to the fantail. Thanks again.

[Strik3agle98]

I'm currently working on the Big E as she's about to launch her first spot during battle of Midway.
From what I've gather from this thread she's painted in Measure 11 with NavyBlue 5-N and should have some 50cal onboard.
I decided to go with 4 position on deck edge based on what I gather from these photo (the barrel's thickness in particular)
I'm not sure if this is correct but if it's not I'd very want to be made aware of it.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020644.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020643.jpg

Here's some pictures of my build, she's still a wip at around 70%.
I decided to have most of the hangar deck roller open as the timeframe is around 7-8 am.
The only aircraft on the deck will be F4F that'd be launched to join CAP and SBD that will sink Kaga and Akagi.

[Timmy C]

The Trumpy 1/200 CV-6 has been released: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10712894

[katobase]

https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/730/30898 ... a7d0_b.jpg
Could anyone tell me what those quad cable thing around the hull are (from infini models)? And if possible, is there 1/700 PE versions of it?
I saw someone using it in 1/700 but i'm just not sure if he made it himself or is there aftermarket PE for it.
This is the 1/700 version i saw:
http://s15.sinaimg.cn/orignal/001h9Eftzy7pBpOCZP0de (Source aprstar lexington)

[ModelMonkey]

That is a degaussing cable. Generally, their configuration is ship-specific.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degaussing

[katobase]

That is a degaussing cable.

Hmm.. i searched couldn't find any degaussing cable for USN ships. I wonder if he used something else like some kind of grid pattern for aircraft interior

[MartinJQuinn]

I don't know of any companies that make aftermarket degaussing cables for USN ships. That's probably because, as mentioned, they varied from ship to ship. Merit includes a PE version in the 1/350 Enterprise and a plastic version in the 1/350 Yorktown.

On my 1/350 Enterprise, I made my own out of styrene rod, which you can see in the photo below. It runs just under the level of the main deck (below the boats):

You could probably do the same in 1/700.

[katobase]

I don't know of any companies that make aftermarket degaussing cables for USN ships. That's probably because, as mentioned, they varied from ship to ship. Merit includes a PE version in the 1/350 Enterprise and a plastic version in the 1/350 Yorktown.

On my 1/350 Enterprise, I made my own out of styrene rod, which you can see in the photo below. It runs just under the level of the main deck (below the boats):
You could probably do the same in 1/700.

that's a nice model! I agree ill prob have to settle with some wires.
Btw another quick question, the kit i brought is the , trumpeter 06708 with the fivestar upgrade set, which it says represent enterprise in 1943, is there any significant changes needs to be made to this kit inorder to represent 1942 midway enterprise or it's good as it is? Thanks again.

[taskforce48]

Unfortunately the Big E went through some changes from Midway to when it appears that PE set is designed for.
Quick List off of the top of my head-

Bow mounted 1.1 quad should be a raised platform with 2-20mm's at Midway
At Midway she carried 4-1.1in , two forward the island and two aft. This fit shows the 40mm tubs that were added later
The 40mm tub that is at the deck edge aft the island was not there at Midway
The aft end of he flight deck has been modified from Midway fit to allow for a 20mm gallery
She carries more 20mm in this set than she did at Midway
She did not have the MK4 radar's on the MK33 directors at Midway


Matt

[katobase]

Unfortunately the Big E went through some changes from Midway to when it appears that PE set is designed for.
Quick List off of the top of my head-
Matt

katobase, what time period in 1943 as before or after refit because if after then there is the removal of the torpedo blisters to consider if Trumpter added them?
"As part of her 1943 refit at Bremerton, Washington, Enterprise acquired a torpedo blister along three quarters of her hull, above and below waterline."

Thank you david and matt for the info, it seem like there are quite many differences between midway and her refit in 1943.
I'm looking through the kit right now (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10516972) and to me it seems rather than 1943, the kit it's more closer to what she looked like in midway 1942.
This is a image i found said to be her in 1942-may (original image: https://i.imgur.com/tbigDAm.jpg)

And this is the fivestar kit said to be 1943 (original image: https://i.imgur.com/QS6CZqe.png)

Hmm... It almost seems easier to make it the midway configuration. ill definitely need to do more research but fivestar's kit doesn't seem to be completely accurate too for 1943 wise, like it's missing the radar platform on the right side of the funnel... Love to hear any other thoughts on this kit..

[taskforce48]

Can't speak to the Five-Star kit, but just looking at it tells us that 1943 would only be accurate for very early 43 as the Big E was heading back to the states for refit and overhaul. This fit shown is when she emerged out of Pearl Harbor after the Eastern Solomon's battle and when she participated in the Santa Cruz battle in October of 42. Her bridge was substantially altered after her 43 refit with addition of MK37's taking the place of the MK33 directors. She also received hull blisters and had her 40mm AA increased. I believe at Midway she still had 2- searchlights on the platform on each side of her funnel as well as a small boat crane on the Starboard side of the island.

HTH
Matt

[Brocky]

Hi Guys,

I'm working on the old Revell 1/487 Battle of Midway Carrier, (I know the pace has been glacial) to represent the Enterprise when she was the only available US CV in the Pacific and I am at a point where I need to complete the hanger deck (for me that means mostly paint and add some aircraft) so I have a question about the colours of for it. I see from page one that the deck is #20 Standard Deck Gray and the bulk heads and supports are white but is the white gloss or flat white?

Also I need to add the under flight deck supports at the bow and stern I am wondering if the Floating Dry-dock plans show any of this structure and if so which ones?

Thanks in advance for any help.
Mark B.

[Brocky]

Hey David.

Yep I got these from you when I had trouble positioning the two support columns on the stern deck that Revell completely left off their kit. It took me a while to figure out that they were 1/144 scale but they helped a lot after that. I will also be using them to position the front support columns.

They don't seem to show the support grid under the stern and bow flight decks though. I found what I think are the girders on what Acrobat is calling Page 7, but they only show 4 girders running fore and aft while the Merit and Trumpeter instructions show 5 girders running lengthwise. Am I correct in thinking that the plans just are not showing the one girder that runs down the center line of the drawings?

Thanks in advance,
Mark B.

[ModelMonkey]

Hi Mark,

Photos confirm that the Navy plans are accurate - no centerline longitudinal girder forward. Trumpeter/Merit got it wrong.

Below is a cropped photo of Yorktown CV-5 dated 14 July 1937. No centerline girder is present. I don't have a clear photo of Enterprise. But the photo at bottom of Hornet CV-8 also confirms no centerline girder. It is probably safe to assume Enterprise did not have a centerline girder either.

Hope this helps.

[Brocky]

Hi Steve, and thanks yes it does help.

Trumpeter/Merit got it wrong.

And it probably won�t be the last time either.

But as it happens in this hobby, your pictures bring up yet another question.

There seems to be a difference in the platforms on the bow in between and just to the outside of the two support columns. I have outlined the area in question in red in the Yorktown and Hornet photos.
In the Yorktown photo this is an open deck with rails



In the Hornet photo this is an enclosed space of some sort.


My question is what was this on the Enterprise, an open deck with rails or an enclosed space?

Or is this a time dependent thing. I know Yorktown and Enterprise were built pretty much side by side and the Hornet was built several years later so would both the Yorktown and Enterprise have been built with open platforms and then Hornet built with enclosed spaces due to the experience the USN gained while operating the Yorktown and Enterprise? The only plans I have for Enterprise are the ones in Roger Chesneau�s Yorktown Class Aircraft Carriers but they are after the Enterprise�s 1943 refit at Puget Sound.
I�m trying to build CV-6 during the Summer/Fall of 1942 but all of the pictures I have found on the net are black and white and don�t show much of detail of the forecastle deck due to it being in shadow and her being painted in the MS-11 paint scheme.

Oh and where did you get the Yorktown picture?

Thanks in advance
Mark B.

[Brocky]

Thanks David.

So I take it was open and then enclosed during the refit in 1943?

[ModelMonkey]

Agree with David, the area in question, which is the catapult machinery platform, was fully enclosed well before the 1943 refit, but my references are insufficient to identify exactly when. Perhaps one of the noted researchers here will be able to specify the precise date.

The photos below are of Enterprise taken before her 1943 refit. Weapons fit of 1.1 inch "Chicago Pianos" forward and aft of the island, with a pair of 20mm Oerlikons in the bow tub and more Oerlikons along the gallery deck just below the edge of the flight deck as well as the base of the island, indicate summer 1942. This may be her Midway appearance.

Note that the catapult machinery platform is fully enclosed at this time.

[Brocky]

Hi David, Steve,
Thanks for the replies.
That�s actually what I was hoping to hear since it is easier for me to make an enclosed space vice a deck with a PE rail�.

The photos below are of Enterprise taken before her 1943 refit. Weapons fit of 1.1 inch "Chicago Pianos" forward and aft of the island,

Well now Revell got it wrong again. They did get the fact that the Enterprise had 4 1.1 inch quad AA guns, but they put the aft most mount down on the cat walk not immediately aft of the third mount. It would appear this was not done until the Enterprise was equipped with quad and twin 40mm Bofors mounts.

Oh well just one more correction to make.

Thanks much again,
Mark B.