The Ship Model Forum

The Ship Modelers Source
It is currently Sun Jul 20, 2025 11:03 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 879 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 ... 44  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 pm
Posts: 1780
..


Last edited by carr on Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:37 pm
Posts: 1111
Location: Smith's Falls, Canada
If I recall, a Udaloy hangar actually has something that opens the roof to clear those rotor blades - or alternately, it's the perspective of distance that is distorting the height between the rotors and the roof - It's hard to say really.

I can't help but think I was looking at a Slava for the slant in the door...

_________________
Die Panzerschiffe - Putting the Heavy in Heavy Cruiser since 1940.

It's not Overkill, it's Insurance.

If you think my plastic is crazy, check out my Line Art!
http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/S ... %20Images/


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:15 am
Posts: 1205
Location: ATHENS, GREECE
My money is on Udaloy class...

P.S. Simon I hope to have the package on its way by Tuesday... :wave_1:

_________________
NIKOS (NICK)
ΜΕΓΑ ΤΟ ΤΗΣ ΘΑΛΑΣΣΗΣ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ
(GREAT IS THE NATION THAT MASTERS THE SEAS)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 12332
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Yes, the rear half of the Udaloy hangar roofs do slide towards the bow:
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 223051.jpg
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 223053.jpg

Not sure whether this would be forward enough to clear the rotor top. Also uncertain (for me, anyway) is whether there was a static bar above the doors that would prevent a strictly horizontal entry for the helicopter.

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:51 am
Posts: 2432
Location: Belgium
Being an Udaloy "expert". No Timmy there is no such thing as a static part in that hangar. They can actually open the doors seperately and keep the roof closed, or open the roof and keep the doors closed. The chopper is placed via some rails on the elevator and then lashed to it. In that position, flight deck level, the aft stabilisers of the chopper are still outside the hangar. Then the elevator drives down forward along these rails on both sides and the helo slides in with the tail etc. The door you can see on the right of this helo down is the main deck door transverse next to the RBU launchers.
Here are some more pics, although I'd better put them in the Udaloy topic. They are also of Chabanenko, notice she doesn't have the rail system to move the helo from and to the hangar.

Also see the picture of the helo deck of Admiral Tributs which I posted in my R/C/Scratchbuild 1/100 Udaloy topic. There you can see the guy looking from the FlyCo top window towards the portside hangar, the roof hatches are open (he seems to check it visually) while the doors are still closed.


Attachments:
UdaloyHangar2.jpg
UdaloyHangar2.jpg [ 83.08 KiB | Viewed 3778 times ]
File comment: Chabanenko
UdaloyHangar.jpg
UdaloyHangar.jpg [ 87.85 KiB | Viewed 3787 times ]

_________________
The merchant shipyard
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:37 pm
Posts: 1111
Location: Smith's Falls, Canada
Very interesting, very interesting. A couple of interesting observations to add to this:

If you notice, there's actually THREE parts to the hangar roof of the Udaloy - look at the shot from above that Timmy posted, where the roof is retracted - notice, there's two sets of rails, one only going back half way - the step you see in the hangar shot where the roof is closed, is actually the step-gap between the two layers of the roof - it telescopes all the way forward in two stages, which is interesting enough.

Nikos - good to hear, looking forward to the arrival.

_________________
Die Panzerschiffe - Putting the Heavy in Heavy Cruiser since 1940.

It's not Overkill, it's Insurance.

If you think my plastic is crazy, check out my Line Art!
http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/S ... %20Images/


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:55 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 pm
Posts: 1780
..


Last edited by carr on Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 12332
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Haha, aren't Speedos great? :heh:

But naturally, I was clicking on the thumbnail hoping for a shot of the hangar :P

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:51 am
Posts: 2432
Location: Belgium
Probably the reason was that they didn't want to put those Podkat guidance radars at the same height, along with a lower profile by lowering the hangar and of course stealth with the sloped sides all around (with a full height hangar, the doors would be VERY long/big) Possibly also stability, ship's motions are less felt inside/down than they are high on top, bringing the chopper up gives you a little more stability and makes the chopper move less during rolling.

_________________
The merchant shipyard


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:51 pm
Posts: 37
Location: Williamsburg, VA
I've seen several examples of Kirov drawings in looking through all the posts here. Can anyone give me some insight into where to find a good set of plans (including hull lines) for the Kirov class?

_________________
In the Shipyard:
1/350 Yamato
1/350 USS Intrepid CVA-11 (1954 SCB-27C)
1/350 Uss Nimitz (1976 Med Cruise)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 pm
Posts: 1780
..


Last edited by carr on Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:50 am
Posts: 352
Location: roma, italia
the drawings are from the russian magazine typhoon #16 (4-1999)

they are good plans of petr veliky 1:200 at
_http://www.morkniga.ru/p710.html
russian site where you can pay only in advance with western union. i buy lot of books and never had a trouble. contact by e-mail and arrange payment and shipment. they speake a basic english generally, like mine.
or, the same plan, at
_http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-Heavy-Cruiser-PIOTR-VELIKY-Linear-Plans-1-200_W0QQitemZ330286322742QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Nonfiction_Book?hash=item4ce6995436
is a e-bay site where i buy sometime.
ciao peppe


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:51 am
Posts: 2432
Location: Belgium
I don't have the set of plans available for now. Maybe somebody else to whom I sent them can help you out?

_________________
The merchant shipyard


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 12332
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Mike, I've got Neptune's plans - check your PM please.

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:51 pm
Posts: 37
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Thanks to Neptune & Timmy for the info - great stuff!!!

_________________
In the Shipyard:
1/350 Yamato
1/350 USS Intrepid CVA-11 (1954 SCB-27C)
1/350 Uss Nimitz (1976 Med Cruise)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 pm
Posts: 1780
..


Last edited by carr on Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:51 am
Posts: 2432
Location: Belgium
That actually happened so many times, it's not funny anymore. Those side launched lifeboats have already killed more people than they've actually saved. It still happens and apparently no measure can be found to beat human stupidity... :heh: :heh: :heh:

_________________
The merchant shipyard


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 12332
Location: Ottawa, Canada
So two of my Russian friends found this in a shop in Vladivostok and decided to buy it for me:

Attachment:
P1080754.JPG
P1080754.JPG [ 388.56 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

Attachment:
P1080755.JPG
P1080755.JPG [ 550.55 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

Attachment:
P1080756.JPG
P1080756.JPG [ 548.05 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]



I was worried and confused at first; the only 1/700 Kirov are the Trumpeter/Pit-Road and Dragon kits, and as far as I have encountered, no one makes counterfeits of the Trumpy and Dragon Kirovs, begging the question of "what the hell is this? is this even a kit of the Kirov class?" The box was quite big - in fact, I was first expecting it to be one of the Kangnam/Arii/CC-Lee 1/600 Iowa class kits when I first saw the box.

So I took the plunge and opened it, readying my heart for disappointment and shock:
Attachment:
P1080758.JPG
P1080758.JPG [ 433.47 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]


Looking closely at the deck part (the first one on top when I first opened it), I recognized instantly, much to my relief, the signature Trumpeter/Pit-Road features.

So it turns out Modelist sells Trumpeter kits in Russia - by license or not, I don't know! Cool story, anyway :D

Some more pics:
Attachment:
File comment: Decals.
P1080759.JPG
P1080759.JPG [ 432.19 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

Attachment:
File comment: A sheet of paper flags, something not in the Trumpy/P-R version. No proper shaped flags, though, so I'll have to make proper ones elsewhere.
P1080760.JPG
P1080760.JPG [ 142.75 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

Attachment:
File comment: Cover of the instructions.
P1080761.JPG
P1080761.JPG [ 410.45 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

Attachment:
P1080762.JPG
P1080762.JPG [ 392.31 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

Attachment:
File comment: The instructions are Trumpeter-esque, but the lines are not as sharp and have a slight green tinge to them, as though they were merely scanned/reprinted copies of the originals, which wouldn't surprise me.
P1080764.JPG
P1080764.JPG [ 399 KiB | Viewed 6428 times ]

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Kashtan on Slava?
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:31 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:11 am
Posts: 223
Has anyone seen anything indicating that some of the Slava class, maybe Varyag, have been fitted with the Kashtan air defence system?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:00 pm
Posts: 12332
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Here's Varyag as recent as Spring of 2009:
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 171082.jpg

Marshal Ustinov in 2008:
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 170083.jpg
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 170081.jpg

Moskva in April 2010:
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02 ... 169248.jpg

No Kashtans on any of them at these dates, it appears.

_________________
De quoi s'agit-il?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 879 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 ... 44  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests


You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group